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Not long ago twitter, telephony/mobiles and electricity didn't exist, and people lived normal lives - but over time "normal" is redefined. The issue isn't twit

by Chris2048 5y ago

Not long ago twitter, telephony/mobiles and electricity didn't exist, and people lived normal lives - but over time "normal" is redefined. The issue isn't twitter, but online discourse in general, and what happens when it becomes "normal". There is also an issue of choice - it is normal not to read books, as many people do not; yet I wouldn't accept this means you can deprive people who want to read of a library.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
The post you are responding to was talking about today, now, not "not long ago". Today, now, not having twitter is totally normal. If you think it might be a necessity in the future, then we can talk about it then, if you're right.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  By "then" it might be too late - lots of discussions leverage "too late to change now". This is how climate change is in such a horrible state. Also, who says when we "are there"? Maybe we are already?
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    I don't think it's worth entertaining every prognostication on the off chance that it may eventually one day be true. As you mentioned, some of them have a convincing case behind them, though, like climate change. Those are worth entertaining, IMO
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      The implication here is that this doesn't have a convincing case behind it? Then when would you act? There are already plenty of monopolies and "lobbies" in America on the basis of the same efficiency (not acting until it's a "problem") - maybe proactive caution around big business should be the norm given all the historical abuses, from beef to chemicals to medicine to tobacco?
      - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        > The implication here is that this doesn't have a convincing case behind it? The explication, I guess, yeah. I was and am explicitly saying that, yes. > Then when would you act? When the prediction that this may become a issue becomes more convincing, somewhere between where it's at now, and climate change, which already has a convincing case that it WILL become a issue (nay, IS one!) > maybe proactive caution around big business should be the norm given all the historical abuses Agreed, proactive caution towards things for which there is a convincing case that it is or may become an issue
jakelazaroff 5y ago
Right, and not long before that didn’t have electricity before too. In 2022 in the US, living without electricity is very abnormal. Living without Twitter is… not. If your issue is online discourse in general, then we’re in a good place: it’s very easy to set up your own website and distribute whatever content you want without needing permission from corporations.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago

The post you are responding to was talking about today, now, not "not long ago". Today, now, not having twitter is totally normal. If you think it might be a necessity in the future, then we can talk about it then, if you're right.

Chris2048 5y ago
By "then" it might be too late - lots of discussions leverage "too late to change now". This is how climate change is in such a horrible state. Also, who says when we "are there"? Maybe we are already?
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  I don't think it's worth entertaining every prognostication on the off chance that it may eventually one day be true. As you mentioned, some of them have a convincing case behind them, though, like climate change. Those are worth entertaining, IMO
  - Chris2048 5y ago
    The implication here is that this doesn't have a convincing case behind it? Then when would you act? There are already plenty of monopolies and "lobbies" in America on the basis of the same efficiency (not acting until it's a "problem") - maybe proactive caution around big business should be the norm given all the historical abuses, from beef to chemicals to medicine to tobacco?
    - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
      > The implication here is that this doesn't have a convincing case behind it? The explication, I guess, yeah. I was and am explicitly saying that, yes. > Then when would you act? When the prediction that this may become a issue becomes more convincing, somewhere between where it's at now, and climate change, which already has a convincing case that it WILL become a issue (nay, IS one!) > maybe proactive caution around big business should be the norm given all the historical abuses Agreed, proactive caution towards things for which there is a convincing case that it is or may become an issue

jakelazaroff 5y ago

Right, and not long before that didn’t have electricity before too. In 2022 in the US, living without electricity is very abnormal. Living without Twitter is… not. If your issue is online discourse in general, then we’re in a good place: it’s very easy to set up your own website and distribute whatever content you want without needing permission from corporations.