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Hottest take on HN. Countries without actual free speech have better “free speech” than the only country with actual free speech.
by rhexs 4y ago
Hottest take on HN. Countries without actual free speech have better “free speech” than the only country with actual free speech.
- andrepd 4y ago>the only country with actual free speech I think you win the hottest take award with that one ;)
- Ardren 4y agoAmerican's act like the constitution is some uniquely divine document that makes them special. Honestly it's tiring.
- sofixa 4y agoAmerican Civil Religion is a powerful drug. Funnily that and their deification of "The Founding Fathers" smell a lot like the absolutist models of Kings and their Divine rights, while being the opposite.
- salawat 4y agoHow do ya figure? We recognize the Founders for having the courage to throw off the yoke of an oppressor, and succeed. We honor them for then in the same lifetime laying out a blueprint of government that has reasonably withstood the test of time and managed to remain flexible in spite of some serious adversity. Is it showing it's age? Probably, Is it long overdue for a strong reaffirmation? Probably also. Does it instill in any one particular dude the absolute unquestionable right to rule over anyone else? No. No it doesn't. The American Experiment, though the institutions of today hedge more on the side of "we'll be the judge of whether you can do that" was fundamentally a novel effort at it's time. It enumerated the Governments specific powers and limits, then dumped the rest of the power in the people to do with as they will. Completely different beasts.
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Honestly it's tiring. As is the steady stream of people who take every opportunity to point out how much America sucks.
- themitigating 4y agoYou're tired of all the speech used to criticize America?
- midwitedu 4y agoDon't flatter yourself. Americans are, by and large, tired of the abject stupidity behind that speech.
- sebzim4500 4y agoThe constitution (including amendments) is almost unique in that it makes actual guarantees about your right to freely express yourself, even if you views are controversial and out of line with the views of the government. That doesn't make it divine, but it does make it special at the moment. Hopefully the rest of the world wakes up, but I see few signs of that happening (although Dominic Raab in the UK has indicated that freedom of expression will be the top priority when laying out the British Bill of Rights which has been promised since brexit).
- mardifoufs 4y agoI mean the first comment literally said "America is the only country with such views" so yes, that makes them special by definition? Or are you saying that the way America sees free speech is common, which would contradict the earlier claim that it isn't
- zajio1am 4y agoSomeone living in US cannot be jailed for advocating genocide, but can be fired from work for disagreeing with latest woke positions. Here i can be jailed for advocating genocide, but cannot be fired from work for disagreeing with latest woke positions. Who has better freedom of speech?
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- Hasu 4y agoThe person in the US can find another job. The person in jail doesn't have such luxuries. Also, when the woke people take over your government, there's no bright line rule that says, "You can't put people in jail for speech." Now you don't lose your job for disagreeing with the latest woke positions, you go to jail. In the US that bright line rule does exist, so they are limited to just trying to get you fired from your job. It's obvious to me who has better freedom of speech.
- peoplefromibiza 4y agotell that to Julian Assange or Edward Snowden.