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Facebook blocking valid NY Post articles (just one last week) is not a content warning… it’s flat out censorship

by nxm 5y ago

themitigating 5y ago
Which article is currently being blocked?
- glenstein 5y ago
  And, as is always the question, to what extent is this one-off example representative of the totality of Facebook's efforts to stop the spread of misinformation? Are 50% of the "censored" posts regular reporting? 1%? 0.00001%? Shouldn't a detail like that matter? If I could make the rules, my rule for conversations about one-off examples would be that you have to immediately follow up by talking about how representative that example is of the phenomenon you are using it to illustrate.
delfinom 5y ago
You realize NYPost are the ones who slutshame a NYC EMT for moonlighting on OnlyFans to make ends meet because their salary is criminally low? You know, they find the fact she's making some X-rated content more wrong than her salary being at the poverty level. There is no "valid" content from that tabloid.
- c1yd3i 5y ago
  OK... who cares? Who's to say that your world view / morality is more correct than the view in the NYPost article?
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > Who's to say that your world view / morality is more correct than the view in the NYPost article? The platform you’re using to blast it, within the confines of their platform.
    - c1yd3i 5y ago
      And, I don't want my platform to say anything about this. See https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent for the proper model.
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > I don't want my platform to say anything about this You should have the freedom to start such a forum without being regulated out of existence and join such a forum without fear of isolation. You should not be able to force other privately owned forums to adopt your view.
        c1yd3i 5y ago
        By this logic, it seems like you're asking Twitter to adopt your view. Screw mine and anyone else's and derank discussion that you don't agree with.
        lovich 5y ago
        If they ask Twitter or some other platform to derank your view and manage to convince the platform to do so, that’s an end result of free speech. One of the main arguments for free speech is that you let everyone talk without government interference and let private actors decide what are good and bad ideas. Everyone in this post who wants these public platforms to be forced to host all speech sound like what they really need is to have these platforms to be nationalized and run with government rules. What’s confusing to me is the majority of the people I see who want these platforms to host all speech are also in the same group that thinks everything should be done by companies and not the government
        jerkstate 5y ago
        This is exactly what's going on. Twitter censors one type of opinion and elevates another. People with the opinions which are currently being elevated are terrified of the potential loss of social power. For what it's worth, I think this fear is misplaced. Unless Elon can figure out how to run Twitter without ads, woke-bigotry is safe as long as advertisers are using woke politics to distract from their evils.
  - pilsetnieks 5y ago
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights should be a pretty good baseline. > Art. 12: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
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Facebook blocking valid NY Post articles (just one last week) is not a content warning… it’s flat out censorship

by nxm 5y ago

Facebook blocking valid NY Post articles (just one last week) is not a content warning… it’s flat out censorship

themitigating 5y ago

Which article is currently being blocked?

glenstein 5y ago
And, as is always the question, to what extent is this one-off example representative of the totality of Facebook's efforts to stop the spread of misinformation? Are 50% of the "censored" posts regular reporting? 1%? 0.00001%? Shouldn't a detail like that matter? If I could make the rules, my rule for conversations about one-off examples would be that you have to immediately follow up by talking about how representative that example is of the phenomenon you are using it to illustrate.

delfinom 5y ago

You realize NYPost are the ones who slutshame a NYC EMT for moonlighting on OnlyFans to make ends meet because their salary is criminally low? You know, they find the fact she's making some X-rated content more wrong than her salary being at the poverty level. There is no "valid" content from that tabloid.

c1yd3i 5y ago
OK... who cares? Who's to say that your world view / morality is more correct than the view in the NYPost article?
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Who's to say that your world view / morality is more correct than the view in the NYPost article? The platform you’re using to blast it, within the confines of their platform.
  - c1yd3i 5y ago
    And, I don't want my platform to say anything about this. See https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/terms#tcontent for the proper model.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > I don't want my platform to say anything about this You should have the freedom to start such a forum without being regulated out of existence and join such a forum without fear of isolation. You should not be able to force other privately owned forums to adopt your view.
      - c1yd3i 5y ago
        By this logic, it seems like you're asking Twitter to adopt your view. Screw mine and anyone else's and derank discussion that you don't agree with.
        lovich 5y ago
        If they ask Twitter or some other platform to derank your view and manage to convince the platform to do so, that’s an end result of free speech. One of the main arguments for free speech is that you let everyone talk without government interference and let private actors decide what are good and bad ideas. Everyone in this post who wants these public platforms to be forced to host all speech sound like what they really need is to have these platforms to be nationalized and run with government rules. What’s confusing to me is the majority of the people I see who want these platforms to host all speech are also in the same group that thinks everything should be done by companies and not the government
        jerkstate 5y ago
        This is exactly what's going on. Twitter censors one type of opinion and elevates another. People with the opinions which are currently being elevated are terrified of the potential loss of social power. For what it's worth, I think this fear is misplaced. Unless Elon can figure out how to run Twitter without ads, woke-bigotry is safe as long as advertisers are using woke politics to distract from their evils.
- pilsetnieks 5y ago
  The Universal Declaration of Human Rights should be a pretty good baseline. > Art. 12: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

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