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Six weeks here in Denmark and a maximum work week of 37 hours. You have to wonder how we ever get anything done here...

toyg 15y ago
Productivity and long hours are inversely proportional, in my book.
ajtaylor 15y ago
Having the time to take off, and also the cultural push to take it all, makes a huge difference in productivity from my perspective.
bmj 15y ago
Out of curiosity, is there much of a start-up culture there? If so, do founders (and first employees) adhere to the same guidelines? At least here in the U.S., founding/working at a start-up basically assumes long-ish hours.
- johnyzee 15y ago
  No, our country is notoriously lacking in entrepreneurship, make of that what you will. We do still manage to have a pretty good economic output and some business success stories though, so there might be something to be said for working fewer hours.
  - bmj 15y ago
    Yeah, I wasn't calling all Danes lazy--just curious if a notoriously overworked sub-culture might exist there.
- jacobr 15y ago
  Sweden has 5 weeks of vacation and a 40 hour standard work week, and pretty successful companies such as Spotify, Skype, Voddler, SoundCloud, Flattr, etc, were founded here. I doubt most of those founders only worked 40 hour work weeks though, as an entrepreneur you decide your own hours, and overtime for regular employees is not uncommon. It probably varies a lot depending on company culture. A friend working at a startup recently got hi-5's from the bosses when he said he had worked 11 hours a day the entire previous week, no talk about taking compensation leave to rest or anything like that. At my company (not a startup) an 11 hour day would be pretty extreme, and if my boss was aware he would probably insist I come in late the following day.
- mark-r 15y ago
  Old joke: "Being a founder means you can work half-days if you want. The best part is you get to choose which 12 hours that is."
  - felipemnoa 15y ago
    Awesome!
- Bootvis 15y ago
  I think the the start up culture is less prevalent here in the Netherlands than in SV but it certainly exists. From my personal experience I can say these guidelines are not strictly adhered. The young, university educated people I hang out with all work more then 40 hours and take about 20 vacation days and work 40-60 hours, more if necessary. However I think direct comparison is pretty hard. What does count towards the total amount worked? For example including social drinks in their total biasing the amount upwards.
- EmployedRussian 15y ago
  Related: http://steveblank.com/2011/10/10/nokia-as-%E2%80%9Che-who-must-not-be-named%E2%80%9D-and-the-helsinki-spring/ http://steveblank.com/2011/10/10/nokia-as-%E2%80%9Che-who-mu... "Nanny-Culture, Lack of Risk Taking, Not Sharing What makes Finland such a wonderful place to live and raise a family may ultimately be what kills it as a startup hub."
mhd 15y ago
I've looked at the European statistics a while ago, and the average working hours are pretty much the same wherever you go, regardless of what's the maximum per week, how many vacation days you get and how many holidays the country has… And I think the general first-world deviation isn't that big either, apart from the Koreans (and to a minor degree, Americans).
ams6110 15y ago
Six weeks is not uncommon in the USA if you are in higher ed.
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- cowmix 15y ago
  Really? In my experience I have almost NEVER seen six weeks for any employee unless they were taking a sabbatical.
dasp 15y ago
When we talk about vacation weeks, we mean sets of 5 working days, not 7. Right? So e.g. 2 week vacation == 10 work days off.
- henrikschroder 15y ago
  Yes.
- syntaxfree 15y ago
  Yes, but vacation = 10 work days off + weekends and holidays, right?
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reinhardt 15y ago
You sure the legal minimum is six weeks? Just got hired and my contract says five weeks paid holiday (sorry can't disclose the company name).
- johnyzee 15y ago
  I just checked and you are right, it is actually five weeks. Sorry about that. (I have my own business so the rules don't apply to me. Let's just say I have grounds for an epic lawsuit against myself :))

toyg 15y ago

Productivity and long hours are inversely proportional, in my book.

Having the time to take off, and also the cultural push to take it all, makes a huge difference in productivity from my perspective.

bmj 15y ago

Out of curiosity, is there much of a start-up culture there? If so, do founders (and first employees) adhere to the same guidelines? At least here in the U.S., founding/working at a start-up basically assumes long-ish hours.

johnyzee 15y ago
No, our country is notoriously lacking in entrepreneurship, make of that what you will. We do still manage to have a pretty good economic output and some business success stories though, so there might be something to be said for working fewer hours.
- bmj 15y ago
  Yeah, I wasn't calling all Danes lazy--just curious if a notoriously overworked sub-culture might exist there.
jacobr 15y ago
Sweden has 5 weeks of vacation and a 40 hour standard work week, and pretty successful companies such as Spotify, Skype, Voddler, SoundCloud, Flattr, etc, were founded here. I doubt most of those founders only worked 40 hour work weeks though, as an entrepreneur you decide your own hours, and overtime for regular employees is not uncommon. It probably varies a lot depending on company culture. A friend working at a startup recently got hi-5's from the bosses when he said he had worked 11 hours a day the entire previous week, no talk about taking compensation leave to rest or anything like that. At my company (not a startup) an 11 hour day would be pretty extreme, and if my boss was aware he would probably insist I come in late the following day.
mark-r 15y ago
Old joke: "Being a founder means you can work half-days if you want. The best part is you get to choose which 12 hours that is."
- felipemnoa 15y ago
  Awesome!
Bootvis 15y ago
I think the the start up culture is less prevalent here in the Netherlands than in SV but it certainly exists. From my personal experience I can say these guidelines are not strictly adhered. The young, university educated people I hang out with all work more then 40 hours and take about 20 vacation days and work 40-60 hours, more if necessary. However I think direct comparison is pretty hard. What does count towards the total amount worked? For example including social drinks in their total biasing the amount upwards.
EmployedRussian 15y ago
Related: http://steveblank.com/2011/10/10/nokia-as-%E2%80%9Che-who-must-not-be-named%E2%80%9D-and-the-helsinki-spring/ http://steveblank.com/2011/10/10/nokia-as-%E2%80%9Che-who-mu... "Nanny-Culture, Lack of Risk Taking, Not Sharing What makes Finland such a wonderful place to live and raise a family may ultimately be what kills it as a startup hub."

mhd 15y ago

I've looked at the European statistics a while ago, and the average working hours are pretty much the same wherever you go, regardless of what's the maximum per week, how many vacation days you get and how many holidays the country has… And I think the general first-world deviation isn't that big either, apart from the Koreans (and to a minor degree, Americans).

ams6110 15y ago

Six weeks is not uncommon in the USA if you are in higher ed.

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cowmix 15y ago
Really? In my experience I have almost NEVER seen six weeks for any employee unless they were taking a sabbatical.

dasp 15y ago

When we talk about vacation weeks, we mean sets of 5 working days, not 7. Right? So e.g. 2 week vacation == 10 work days off.

henrikschroder 15y ago
Yes.
syntaxfree 15y ago
Yes, but vacation = 10 work days off + weekends and holidays, right?

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reinhardt 15y ago

You sure the legal minimum is six weeks? Just got hired and my contract says five weeks paid holiday (sorry can't disclose the company name).

johnyzee 15y ago
I just checked and you are right, it is actually five weeks. Sorry about that. (I have my own business so the rules don't apply to me. Let's just say I have grounds for an epic lawsuit against myself :))