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> It's not the people who need convincing at this point, it's the politicians. I don’t think it’s that simple. “The people” want action on climate change, but

> It's not the people who need convincing at this point, it's the politicians. I don’t think it’s that simple. “The people” want action on climate change, but they also want to get better of, or at least not get worse of. They want to keep their big cars, holidays far away, cheap electronics, they want to keep eating lots of meat, etc. Nobody can give them all they want, so I don’t think it’s fair to blame the politicians for that.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
It's exactly that simple. Stop making excuses for your terrible corrupt lying politicians. People didn't want to spend trillions of dollars on war, yet the politicians somehow made it happen. And they can't enact popular measures for what they tell you they consider to be the greatest problem ever faced by humanity? Get out of here.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  When polled abstractly, a majority of people are in favor of fixing climate change. When asked if they’d personally cut back on beef, private car usage, HVAC, house size, and flyaway vacations, support is considerably lower.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    When polled abstractly if people support spending trillions of dollars on war they don't. When asked if they would personally spend $6000 for every man woman and child in their house and send their son to die for just one war (of many), they also don't. Yet decades worth of corrupt politicians on both sides have gleefully supported these criminal wars. Again, how are they so unable to do anything when it comes to what they allege is the biggest problem ever to face humanity? And a carbon tax on corporations which has bipartisan supprot does not mean everybody suddenly has to noticeably cut back on all those things. That sounds like the kind of fear mongering lying-by-polling that these crooked politicians love to use to shift the blame from themselves on to the people who in fact do want change.

throwawaylinux 5y ago

It's exactly that simple. Stop making excuses for your terrible corrupt lying politicians. People didn't want to spend trillions of dollars on war, yet the politicians somehow made it happen. And they can't enact popular measures for what they tell you they consider to be the greatest problem ever faced by humanity? Get out of here.

sokoloff 5y ago
When polled abstractly, a majority of people are in favor of fixing climate change. When asked if they’d personally cut back on beef, private car usage, HVAC, house size, and flyaway vacations, support is considerably lower.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  When polled abstractly if people support spending trillions of dollars on war they don't. When asked if they would personally spend $6000 for every man woman and child in their house and send their son to die for just one war (of many), they also don't. Yet decades worth of corrupt politicians on both sides have gleefully supported these criminal wars. Again, how are they so unable to do anything when it comes to what they allege is the biggest problem ever to face humanity? And a carbon tax on corporations which has bipartisan supprot does not mean everybody suddenly has to noticeably cut back on all those things. That sounds like the kind of fear mongering lying-by-polling that these crooked politicians love to use to shift the blame from themselves on to the people who in fact do want change.