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I'd guess he's using a VPN and it triggered some kind of anti-fraud threshold. Lots of companies have been doing this lately, not just Oracle. > "I'm sometimes

I'd guess he's using a VPN and it triggered some kind of anti-fraud threshold. Lots of companies have been doing this lately, not just Oracle. > "I'm sometimes baffled by how many businesses are out there that make the process of paying them insanely difficult." I'm baffled as to how this thread is getting upvotes. The same thread was posted four days ago by the same user and did not get traction. HN is not your personal army.

belval 5y ago
Users are allowed to "try again" when their post does not gain enough traction.
- phreack 5y ago
  In fact, many times they're even asked to do so by moderators when they think it'd be a good idea.
  - celdon25 5y ago
    Is it a good idea when the topic at hand is OP's personal beef with a merchant? It's a bad faith posting given the fact that the error message mentions "masking one's location or identity". OP mentions being a "Signal user since 2015" in a comment here but doesn't address the VPN possibility in the linked blog rant so I'm calling it here.
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      What's technically or morally wrong with using a VPN, again?
      - celdon25 5y ago
        Nothing morally, but using a VPN, while not perfectly anonymous, correlates strongly with other anonymization measures taken by users. Users signing up with those IPs are more likely to be doing so anonymously. There's nothing wrong with using it to hide your browsing habits or reduce tracking, but when you're signing up for cloud services, you're presumably already supposed to be providing your identity at that point, so that use case is moot. Someone could be stealing your identity and using it to sign up as well. Imagine the crimes you could be framed for in those situations. It would be hard to keep the service cheap if there were a greater risk of bad actors using it.
letmeoknmmm 5y ago
- celdon25 5y ago
  Not at all, my stance is that people on HN should stop being useful idiots for the monopoly by shooting down new ideas and innovations on the grounds that 'BigTech does what I need already'. I don't see how that is at all similar. The world will be fine if people aren't allowed to anonymously pay for things online with US credit cards in order to set up cloud services. There are decentralized networks for that, and I'm sure many centralized ones that will accept payment methods anonymously as well (blackhats, I hope you're not listening). Please refrain from ad hominem, especially since this was your first ever comment posted to HN.
  - letmeoknmmm 5y ago
    Thanks for the lecture(s) man I do agree it's silly to give rich US companies even more money. I wasn't triggered by what you said but by your attitude. Let go.
dx034 5y ago
I tried signing up without VPN and gave up after a few days. Credit card verification succeeded but it seems they need to manually upgrade your account. Support couldn't tell me how long that would take (system said 24h but took longer). And once that was done, you still can't order because you need to increase limits. I gave up at some point and went with another provider. Has been a long time that I've encountered a system that takes several days until they allow you to spend money.
nikanj 5y ago
HN is often the last, best hope of actually reaching a human at a large corporation
superdisk 5y ago
> The same thread was posted four days ago by the same user and did not get traction I got an email from Dang asking me to repost it into the second-chance pool. Also, I don't use a VPN.
- celdon25 5y ago
  I apologize for my comments then. This is very surprising to me on both counts but I'll take your word for it.

belval 5y ago

Users are allowed to "try again" when their post does not gain enough traction.

phreack 5y ago
In fact, many times they're even asked to do so by moderators when they think it'd be a good idea.
- celdon25 5y ago
  Is it a good idea when the topic at hand is OP's personal beef with a merchant? It's a bad faith posting given the fact that the error message mentions "masking one's location or identity". OP mentions being a "Signal user since 2015" in a comment here but doesn't address the VPN possibility in the linked blog rant so I'm calling it here.
  - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
    What's technically or morally wrong with using a VPN, again?
    - celdon25 5y ago
      Nothing morally, but using a VPN, while not perfectly anonymous, correlates strongly with other anonymization measures taken by users. Users signing up with those IPs are more likely to be doing so anonymously. There's nothing wrong with using it to hide your browsing habits or reduce tracking, but when you're signing up for cloud services, you're presumably already supposed to be providing your identity at that point, so that use case is moot. Someone could be stealing your identity and using it to sign up as well. Imagine the crimes you could be framed for in those situations. It would be hard to keep the service cheap if there were a greater risk of bad actors using it.

letmeoknmmm 5y ago

celdon25 5y ago
Not at all, my stance is that people on HN should stop being useful idiots for the monopoly by shooting down new ideas and innovations on the grounds that 'BigTech does what I need already'. I don't see how that is at all similar. The world will be fine if people aren't allowed to anonymously pay for things online with US credit cards in order to set up cloud services. There are decentralized networks for that, and I'm sure many centralized ones that will accept payment methods anonymously as well (blackhats, I hope you're not listening). Please refrain from ad hominem, especially since this was your first ever comment posted to HN.
- letmeoknmmm 5y ago
  Thanks for the lecture(s) man I do agree it's silly to give rich US companies even more money. I wasn't triggered by what you said but by your attitude. Let go.

dx034 5y ago

I tried signing up without VPN and gave up after a few days. Credit card verification succeeded but it seems they need to manually upgrade your account. Support couldn't tell me how long that would take (system said 24h but took longer). And once that was done, you still can't order because you need to increase limits. I gave up at some point and went with another provider. Has been a long time that I've encountered a system that takes several days until they allow you to spend money.

nikanj 5y ago

HN is often the last, best hope of actually reaching a human at a large corporation

superdisk 5y ago

> The same thread was posted four days ago by the same user and did not get traction I got an email from Dang asking me to repost it into the second-chance pool. Also, I don't use a VPN.

celdon25 5y ago
I apologize for my comments then. This is very surprising to me on both counts but I'll take your word for it.