Precisely, this is why I think the earlier comment's suggestion: > How about we not make the default that companies can do whatever they want and users have to

Precisely, this is why I think the earlier comment's suggestion: > How about we not make the default that companies can do whatever they want and users have to take steps like a hardware-muted mic (which isn't always an option) to ensure a basic expectation of privacy? Sounds nice on the surface, but is ultimately silly. Sure, it'd be nice if everyone did the right thing, but you can never guarantee that, and hence if you really care you need to perform the mute at a lower level than what the app has access to.