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Sabotaging your own military's weapons still sounds an awful lot like treason
by babypuncher 5y ago
Sabotaging your own military's weapons still sounds an awful lot like treason
- dmitrygr 5y agoSanctions have never ever in human history worked, so more like sabotaging one's placebos...
- AYBABTME 5y agoIt at least worked so far in preventing another Korean war. It didn't topple the Kim regime, but South Korea is mostly safe now.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> It at least worked so far in preventing another Korean war. It would have to work at coercing a final end to the 1950- Korean War before it could have a chance to succeed or fail at preventing another one.
- Delitio 5y agoDo you have any sources for this?
- dmitrygr 5y agoFidel Castro, Kim jong Il, and Vladimir Putin.
- tremon 5y agoThose are the only three instances where sanctions were used "ever in human history"?
- dmitrygr 5y agoMost recent attempts thus most applicable to today’s world. Yes.
- AlexCoventry 5y agoThe sanctions of the last 8 years have probably played a significant role in diminishing the RF's capacity to effectively occupy Ukraine.
- rbanffy 5y agoOTOH, Russia successfully elected a POTUS that helped cripple Ukraine’s ability to defend itself.
- cf0ed2aa-bdf5 5y agoThe sanctions imposed on South Africa in the 1980s absolutely crippled the country and are widely seen as a successful contribution in the efforts of bringing down Apartheid.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> The sanctions imposed on South Africa in the 1980s absolutely crippled the country and are widely seen as a successful contribution in the efforts of bringing down Apartheid. They played a role, but Western institutions are biased to exaggerate it and gloss over the fact that the sanctions regimes were only adopted after the reinvigoration of the armed struggle fueled by stepped up material and training support from the USSR brought into serious doubt the survival of the South African regime even with continued active support. The West didn't want South Africa to lose, and wouldn't concede to it losing until the alternative was it losing anyway and armed struggle and support of the Communist bloc being the entire narrative for why, which they didn't like for either international or domestic political optics.
- cortesoft 5y ago> In regards to the effectiveness of the sanctions, supporters concede that multilateral sanctions have been found to work 33% of the time. https://www.jstor.org/stable/20034049 https://www.jstor.org/stable/20034049
- saghm 5y agoDoes that matter? If someone tried to sell state secrets to another country and their buyer turned out to be a CIA agent undercover and the secrets were fake info planted for them to sell, they still likely will be prosecuted for treason despite all that.
- rbanffy 5y agoUnless they faked the information themselves and, instead of conning the Russian government they conned the CIA.
- ChrisLomont 5y agoA simple google search shows lots of examples, even recent ones, where sanctions clearly worked.
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- AlexCoventry 5y agoThey're doing great at diminishing NK's industrial capacity, which it is hell-bent on using it to manufacture nuclear weapons.
- rbanffy 5y agoHaving nuclear weapons is the only sure way to prevent someone from “liberating” you through an invasion.
- KptMarchewa 5y agoSanctions have absolutely wrecked many hostile countries aconomy, crippling their ability to conduct war. There's a reason why North Korea's army is 50s technology held together by duct tape.
- rbanffy 5y agoUnfortunately, it creates a lot of collateral damage.
- tbrownaw 5y agoI think we'd have to be in an actual formally declared war with someone first.
- tarboreus 5y agoThis is accurate for a technical definition of treason in the US.