> Your strawman arguments are quite poor. I found those arguments informative. > Cities aren't loud, cars are And. Bay Area neighborhoods will still be full

> Your strawman arguments are quite poor. I found those arguments informative. > Cities aren't loud, cars are And. Bay Area neighborhoods will still be full of cars because public transportation is not going to materialize overnight. > Cars go into underground parking garages Then we add a restriction that any multi-family unit should come with an underground parking garage. Good luck seeing that through. > There, done. Not done, really. > but NIMBYs really are selfish and shallow people. In this thread, your arguments seem shallow to me without addressing any real concerns of the bay area homeowners. You seem to be selfishly imposing your political ideology without considering all the costs which you won't be incurring anyway.