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> How is this not extremely concerning for anybody who cares about privacy? Because they're not actually doing that? These researchers did everything they cou

> How is this not extremely concerning for anybody who cares about privacy? Because they're not actually doing that? These researchers did everything they could think of to come up with the most concerning headline. I imagine someone, somewhere is going to make a video conferencing app that closes the audio interface every time you press mute. I also expect few people will use that option because it adds additional latency every time you unmute. I want my mute button to work ASAP and I don't believe Zoom (or anyone else) is interested in whether or not I'm eating while muted.

marricks 5y ago
> Because they're not actually doing that? >> Applying the classifier to the type of telemetry packets the app was sending Are you sure they’re not? The used these algorithms on telemetry packets sent from browsers. I see no reason to give companies whose revenue is built on ads the benefit of the doubt here.
- asojfdowgh 5y ago
  I don't think one should go to the level of making random bs claims about things, and then blaming the groups one is making the claims about.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  Are you sure they are? That seems to be the bar we should meet when you make an accusation, right? Besides - is it really super valuable to know that while I (thought I) was muted that I was cooking? Zoom's going to find out I... eat?
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> and I don't believe Zoom (or anyone else) is interested in whether or not I'm eating while muted. If they are, the continuing video feed is pretty likely to answer their question.
worik 5y ago
> ....and I don't believe Zoom (or anyone else) is interested in whether or not I'm eating while muted. But the detectives with a search warrant are pleased to be able to listen to your private conversations. The secret police who do not need a warrant (or legality) are glad to be able to listen too. The staff at Zoom are happy to spy on you, probably, for a small reward. A proper mute removes those concerns. A mute that does not mute is inviting a lawsuit
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  If these are your threat models, your microphone should have a hardware mute switch, and you should at least have something opaque to cover your camera.

marricks 5y ago

> Because they're not actually doing that? >> Applying the classifier to the type of telemetry packets the app was sending Are you sure they’re not? The used these algorithms on telemetry packets sent from browsers. I see no reason to give companies whose revenue is built on ads the benefit of the doubt here.

asojfdowgh 5y ago
I don't think one should go to the level of making random bs claims about things, and then blaming the groups one is making the claims about.
madeofpalk 5y ago
Are you sure they are? That seems to be the bar we should meet when you make an accusation, right? Besides - is it really super valuable to know that while I (thought I) was muted that I was cooking? Zoom's going to find out I... eat?

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> and I don't believe Zoom (or anyone else) is interested in whether or not I'm eating while muted. If they are, the continuing video feed is pretty likely to answer their question.

worik 5y ago

> ....and I don't believe Zoom (or anyone else) is interested in whether or not I'm eating while muted. But the detectives with a search warrant are pleased to be able to listen to your private conversations. The secret police who do not need a warrant (or legality) are glad to be able to listen too. The staff at Zoom are happy to spy on you, probably, for a small reward. A proper mute removes those concerns. A mute that does not mute is inviting a lawsuit

throwawayboise 5y ago
If these are your threat models, your microphone should have a hardware mute switch, and you should at least have something opaque to cover your camera.