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Yeah I don't see how anyone could consider it victimless. By helping North Korea circumvent sanctions he indirectly has blood on his hands. This is a country th
by thereddaikon 5y ago
Yeah I don't see how anyone could consider it victimless. By helping North Korea circumvent sanctions he indirectly has blood on his hands. This is a country that sentences multiple generations of a family to work camps.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoThe USA has a similar incarceration rate to North Korea, albeit with better conditions.
- tcgv 5y agoNonetheless two wrongs don't make a right.
- s1artibartfast 5y agosure, Im not saying that they do make it right. I am pointing out the conspicuous hypocrisy that people don't feel that they have blood on their hands for paying US taxes, but aiding NK in any way is a mortal sin.
- Lanolderen 5y agoI find this comparison extremely weird. North korean prisons are described as hellholes whereas US prisons actually seem decent to me (eastern european) if we exclude that you likely won't have the best of company. Plus that only a small amount of taxes go towards the prison system.
- quantum_solanum 5y ago> whereas US prisons actually seem decent to me based on what? Places like Angola or San Quentin are as brutal as any gulag.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoShould we compare the %of taxes that go to gulags and military in NK to that in the US? I honestly wonder if they would be favorable
- outworlder 5y agoThe fragment "albeit with better conditions" is doing a lot of work here.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoQuite a bit better on average. At the extremes, the US can be just as bad. # Prisoners being beat to death # Prisoners' shackled in restraint chairs being nasally force fed and tortured # Solitary confinement for 40+ years
- SkyMarshal 5y agoBetter conditions and due process. Whataboutitists love to conveniently the latter.
- Firmwarrior 5y agoMan oh man. You're right for a lot of cases, but in the USA if you're uneducated, poor, and in the wrong place at the wrong time, you can get railroaded by some crooked cops and a plea deal with a crooked DA, and it's going to be small comfort that things aren't usually as bad as in North Korea
- thereddaikon 5y agoNobody is arguing that the system is perfect. Yes we know bad things happen and there are bad people in the system who prey on others. That's true everywhere and it should go without saying. It doesn't change the fact that the US is very different from NK and not really at all comparable if we are being intellectually honest.
- SkyMarshal 5y agoTrue unfortunately, but those instances are generally considered to be violations of the spirit of our system, institutions, and rights, at the least, if not also the letter, or exploitation of legal loopholes and technicalities, depending on jurisdiction. And we can publicly raise hell about it, protest, lobby, and elect reps who will work to fix it and close the loopholes. In authoritarian systems, those instances are in accordance with their system. And while people there do sometimes raise hell about it, sometimes they're ignored, sometimes they're placated, and sometimes they're disappeared, depending on the whim, temperament, and calculations of whoever is in power, with zero recourse. The two really aren't comparable.
- SkyMarshal 5y ago> ... conveniently ignore the latter. My dyslexia strikes again.