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I'm dumbfounded by people dismissing this article by saying that it wasn't "stuck" simply because the brakes worked. The turn signals didn't work, neither did h

I'm dumbfounded by people dismissing this article by saying that it wasn't "stuck" simply because the brakes worked. The turn signals didn't work, neither did hazards, the failure of which means the driver can't communicate to others that there is a major issue with his vehicle, nor that he is about to perform certain maneuvers such as lane changes or sudden slow downs. It also suggests that the vehicle was maintaining a steady 83 MPH. Whether or not you can brake to slow it down and come to a stop isn't the point; the car is insisting it is going to drive at a specific speed unless you tell it otherwise, that's absolutely not OK and yeah, that's technically "stuck". You've also got the additional damage that occurs by hitting your brakes when the motor is still trying to make it go 83 MPH.

nathan_phoenix 5y ago
Yeah, interesting how people on HN sometimes really get stuck on technicalities...
- epgui 5y ago
  The words we use matter, because they're how we build a shared understanding of the world. I'm guessing, based mostly on how I feel, that people aren't so much annoyed at the negative Tesla news: people are mostly annoyed that the problem description in the title is misleading, and that you have to read the contents of the article with some care to understand what actually happened. It's objectively sloppy/bad journalism, and I think the only question is "how much does it matter". I'd argue it matters a lot in the context of a news aggregator: we should be able to find a more accurate, less misleading, or less impressionistic piece of journalism on this subject. This shouldn't be understood as a cry for "nothing to see here" or "fake news"... On the contrary, it still looks bad for Tesla. Let's just make sure we're focused on accurate wrongs.
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bin_bash 5y ago
We're pointing out the issue isn't nearly as bad as what the headline states. That doesn't imply there isn't a problem.
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edude03 5y ago
a confounding factor is whether he had cruise control active or not. Not ruling out that this could have happened as described however my understanding (and in my experience as a Tesla owner) is that the main screen only only for user feedback. The main screen crashes maybe once a month for me, and although everything works while it reboots, the indicator sounds don't play giving you the impression they’re not working. If you have autopilot or cruise control on they’ll continue to operate even though you can’t see any feedback or hear the indicators. I could see how someone could get into this situation and while panicking accidentally activate cruise control and think the car is stuck.
- bathtub365 5y ago
  Cruise control should disengage when you hit the brakes for the first time and the car should begin to coast.
- Kwpolska 5y ago
  > The main screen crashes maybe once a month for me Excuse me, but what the fuck? How is it possible that the multi-ton high-speed metal box with potential to kill people reboots once a month? If my car was rebooting once a month, I would definitely get rid of it. No feedback means I don’t know what my indicators show, which means they might be misleading to others and cause crashes.
  - Handytinge 5y ago
    This screen is an infotainment screen. The driving systems are independent and still function normally if it crashes.
  - edude03 5y ago
    To be clear, reboot != crash while driving. Sometimes I get in the car in the morning and the screen is black and thus I need to press the steering wheel buttons to reset. Or similar, sometimes the screen still works but a particular feature doesn't (no cellular connectivity, the map is frozen, songs don't play etc) I've had a BMW i3 and a Chevy volt, and I'd say they had similar issues, however since the instrument cluster wasn't on the only display, it wasn't as notable of an issue. In both cars, I've driven kilometres without working music/nav/whatever until I could pull over and reboot.
aaomidi 5y ago
Fwiw this is a fucking terrible issue and has scared the fuck out of me when it happened. I do have to add though, turn signals etc etc all worked. You just didn't hear the audible feedback of them.

nathan_phoenix 5y ago

Yeah, interesting how people on HN sometimes really get stuck on technicalities...

epgui 5y ago
The words we use matter, because they're how we build a shared understanding of the world. I'm guessing, based mostly on how I feel, that people aren't so much annoyed at the negative Tesla news: people are mostly annoyed that the problem description in the title is misleading, and that you have to read the contents of the article with some care to understand what actually happened. It's objectively sloppy/bad journalism, and I think the only question is "how much does it matter". I'd argue it matters a lot in the context of a news aggregator: we should be able to find a more accurate, less misleading, or less impressionistic piece of journalism on this subject. This shouldn't be understood as a cry for "nothing to see here" or "fake news"... On the contrary, it still looks bad for Tesla. Let's just make sure we're focused on accurate wrongs.

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bin_bash 5y ago

We're pointing out the issue isn't nearly as bad as what the headline states. That doesn't imply there isn't a problem.

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edude03 5y ago

a confounding factor is whether he had cruise control active or not. Not ruling out that this could have happened as described however my understanding (and in my experience as a Tesla owner) is that the main screen only only for user feedback. The main screen crashes maybe once a month for me, and although everything works while it reboots, the indicator sounds don't play giving you the impression they’re not working. If you have autopilot or cruise control on they’ll continue to operate even though you can’t see any feedback or hear the indicators. I could see how someone could get into this situation and while panicking accidentally activate cruise control and think the car is stuck.

bathtub365 5y ago
Cruise control should disengage when you hit the brakes for the first time and the car should begin to coast.
Kwpolska 5y ago
> The main screen crashes maybe once a month for me Excuse me, but what the fuck? How is it possible that the multi-ton high-speed metal box with potential to kill people reboots once a month? If my car was rebooting once a month, I would definitely get rid of it. No feedback means I don’t know what my indicators show, which means they might be misleading to others and cause crashes.
- Handytinge 5y ago
  This screen is an infotainment screen. The driving systems are independent and still function normally if it crashes.
- edude03 5y ago
  To be clear, reboot != crash while driving. Sometimes I get in the car in the morning and the screen is black and thus I need to press the steering wheel buttons to reset. Or similar, sometimes the screen still works but a particular feature doesn't (no cellular connectivity, the map is frozen, songs don't play etc) I've had a BMW i3 and a Chevy volt, and I'd say they had similar issues, however since the instrument cluster wasn't on the only display, it wasn't as notable of an issue. In both cars, I've driven kilometres without working music/nav/whatever until I could pull over and reboot.

aaomidi 5y ago

Fwiw this is a fucking terrible issue and has scared the fuck out of me when it happened. I do have to add though, turn signals etc etc all worked. You just didn't hear the audible feedback of them.