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That is still a big deal. See also the Toyota accelerator issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org

That is still a big deal. See also the Toyota accelerator issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehic...

bin_bash 5y ago
Apparently you're not very familiar with how that story turned out: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704422204576131311592922574 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704422204576131... tl;dr: we don't really know what caused it but it wasn't electronics. Malcolm Gladwell did a great piece on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3naJ0P0gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3naJ0P0gM
- hammock 5y ago
  Why does it have to be electronics for my reference to matter? The idea is just because the brakes and steering still work doesn't mean the car is safe.
  - bin_bash 5y ago
    > The third and most common problem was drivers hitting the gas when they thought they were hitting the brake, which the NHTSA called "pedal misapplication." The problem was drivers getting the pedals mixed up. There was nothing wrong with the cars and officials blamed the drivers—hence the title of the article: "U.S. Blames Drivers, Not Toyota"
    - hammock 5y ago
      I thought “we don t really know what caused it.” Now you’re saying we do?
- olyjohn 5y ago
  A few months after that article... NASA did some investigating and found tin whiskers in some faulty accelerator pedals. And interestingly enough, these pedals would all test out fine. This particular one the complaint noted that she had to hit the brake to get the car to stop. So she did not end up crashing. So I'm inclined to believe her car really did take off suddenly. This presentation changed up my mind a bit about unintended acceleration in these cars. https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2011-NASA-GSFC-whisker-failure-app-sensor.pdf https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2011-NAS... I do believe that it could happen, but also I do believe that in most cases you should be able to slam on the brakes and stop the car.

That is still a big deal. See also the Toyota accelerator issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehic...

bin_bash 5y ago

Apparently you're not very familiar with how that story turned out: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704422204576131311592922574 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704422204576131... tl;dr: we don't really know what caused it but it wasn't electronics. Malcolm Gladwell did a great piece on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3naJ0P0gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3naJ0P0gM

hammock 5y ago
Why does it have to be electronics for my reference to matter? The idea is just because the brakes and steering still work doesn't mean the car is safe.
- bin_bash 5y ago
  > The third and most common problem was drivers hitting the gas when they thought they were hitting the brake, which the NHTSA called "pedal misapplication." The problem was drivers getting the pedals mixed up. There was nothing wrong with the cars and officials blamed the drivers—hence the title of the article: "U.S. Blames Drivers, Not Toyota"
  - hammock 5y ago
    I thought “we don t really know what caused it.” Now you’re saying we do?
olyjohn 5y ago
A few months after that article... NASA did some investigating and found tin whiskers in some faulty accelerator pedals. And interestingly enough, these pedals would all test out fine. This particular one the complaint noted that she had to hit the brake to get the car to stop. So she did not end up crashing. So I'm inclined to believe her car really did take off suddenly. This presentation changed up my mind a bit about unintended acceleration in these cars. https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2011-NASA-GSFC-whisker-failure-app-sensor.pdf https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2011-NAS... I do believe that it could happen, but also I do believe that in most cases you should be able to slam on the brakes and stop the car.