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> but his work was exploring how digital systems can help bring peace to the world Surely nobody is that naive? Wars and sanctions aren't a technical problem t

by sofixa 5y ago

> but his work was exploring how digital systems can help bring peace to the world Surely nobody is that naive? Wars and sanctions aren't a technical problem that can be "solved" with a "digital system".

weego 5y ago
As a neurodivergent person in tech, mentoring and MH support, I've met a number of similarly ND people who are indeed convinced that human scale problems are just issues we've not solved with technology yet.
- tomjen3 5y ago
  That is so obviously true that denying it is like denying evolution. If we had one of the those shields from Star Trek, we wouldn't have to worry about NK.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    You should look into MAD, and why the USSR and USA signed a treaty restricting anti-missile defenses. If any country was close to getting ironclad missile shields, it's adversaries would probably act preemptively.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      Also look into Jason P Lowery, and Mutually Assured Preservation concept. PoW Cryptocurrencies, specifically Bitcoin, will end all war. Modern war can only be perpetual with loose monetary policy. Fix the money, fix the world. Post MAD, the strategic battle was over post 70s. The tactical, hash warfare battle is the next phase we will have to live through. Eventually we realize we are all on the same Planet Earth team and explore the stars. But for now, this is humanities best hope for peace.
      - yffras 5y ago
        Bitcoin will not eliminate the need to own physical property - like cars, real estate, companies, etc. Bitcoin will actually expand war. Today you have a military to fight to protect your physical property. The strongest currency typically has the strongest military. Bitcoin (and crypto) will expand property into the digital realm. So now you will need a larger military to protect with force physical property AND digital property.
      - soared 5y ago
        “Bitcoin will end all war” Now that’s a quote for the ages…
      - sofixa 5y ago
        I'm fairly certain that's some sort of elaborate joke I'm not getting. In case you're serious: *bullshit*. There have been wars before there was money, and before there was modern money. WWI is modern ( thatl's where all modern military tech bar drones came to be) and it was while countries were on the gold standard. And it was as "perpetual" as it gets in terms of wars.
        randomhodler84 5y ago
        No joke. Until the invention of cryptocurrency, the ledger of ownership of all the things had to be enforced by a gun. Physical violence to protect property. People would give their lives to enforce a consensus of ownership. We now have a way that doesn’t need guns. It uses mathematics of cryptographic signatures for authentication and integrity, that is verifiable anywhere and without trusted third parties. This is as radical shift in societies power structures. I think you are not getting it because you are still in the “silly criminal money” phase. Don’t worry, give it another 3 years and you will be wishing you bought sats today. Ww1 ww2 all were funded by debasement. All parties did it. It’s a lesson as old as time, but no. Different this time!
        sofixa 5y ago
        You're delusional. At least your username is apt. So. Your premise is flawed. Violence has been a part of humanity for as long as humanity has existed. Your blockchain doesn't solve shit against violence - if a foreign army attacks your country for resources, they can take it, including your crypto, by sheer violence (insert $10 wrench xkcd here). A government doesn't need to print money to finance a war. And even in your imaginary scenario where everything is on a blockchain, what exactly would stop a militia from creating their own separate currency to pay workers under their control for food and weapons? And then attacking everyone else for more resources? You're fundamentally misunderstanding how humans work. > Ww1 ww2 all were funded by debasement. No, they were funded by bonds and loans. That's why economies were crippled, even on the victorious side that didn't endure a blockade. Rationing was deflationary. Are you just making shit up as you go?
kayamon 5y ago
Yes they are. Wars are funded via inflation. Bitcoin solves inflation by using computers to allow trading bottled energy online, thereby pulling the funding out from under oligarchs.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > Wars are funded via inflation That's got to be one of the weirdest things I've ever heard. Inflation is a side effect of war, either due money printing to fund ( rare in non-failing countries, bond issues and loans are much more popular) or, more often, due to supply scarcity ( due to more limited trade, redirection of resources to the military, conscription of men for the army). Bitcoin does nothing for either scenario. Obviously it doesn't help supply, and no government would limit itself on monetary policy by exclusively adopting bitcoin; and even if for some reason they do, they can still emit bonds and get loans.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    That is actually.. a very intriguing ( yet horrifying ) question. Were there any studies of inflationary pressures pre, during, and after a war? My gut tells me it depends on the scale of destruction ( WW2 comes to mind ), but I don't remember reading anything on that subject.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      Hm. I'm not aware of anything specifically about inflation, but IMHO it would be very hard to compare due to the plethora of variables - e.g. rationing, destruction, death, all of which would be deflationary.
  - kayamon 5y ago
    And what happens if the people can trade without requiring the governments or their monetary policies?
    - sofixa 5y ago
thomastjeffery 5y ago
So if they are, they should be imprisoned? Maybe you haven't met someone with high-functioning autism. Being naive is essentially a symptom.
- otterley 5y ago
  Autistic people have to obey the law just like anyone else does. As a community, we should do all we can to help dissuade or prevent them from doing things that would be illegal, much like we hold a child's hand when we cross the street to keep them from running into traffic and being hit by a car.
- afarrell 5y ago
  We should strongly advise naive people not to get involved in either gang warfare or inter-nation conflicts.
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by sofixa 5y ago

weego 5y ago

As a neurodivergent person in tech, mentoring and MH support, I've met a number of similarly ND people who are indeed convinced that human scale problems are just issues we've not solved with technology yet.

tomjen3 5y ago
That is so obviously true that denying it is like denying evolution. If we had one of the those shields from Star Trek, we wouldn't have to worry about NK.
- sofixa 5y ago
  You should look into MAD, and why the USSR and USA signed a treaty restricting anti-missile defenses. If any country was close to getting ironclad missile shields, it's adversaries would probably act preemptively.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    Also look into Jason P Lowery, and Mutually Assured Preservation concept. PoW Cryptocurrencies, specifically Bitcoin, will end all war. Modern war can only be perpetual with loose monetary policy. Fix the money, fix the world. Post MAD, the strategic battle was over post 70s. The tactical, hash warfare battle is the next phase we will have to live through. Eventually we realize we are all on the same Planet Earth team and explore the stars. But for now, this is humanities best hope for peace.
    - yffras 5y ago
      Bitcoin will not eliminate the need to own physical property - like cars, real estate, companies, etc. Bitcoin will actually expand war. Today you have a military to fight to protect your physical property. The strongest currency typically has the strongest military. Bitcoin (and crypto) will expand property into the digital realm. So now you will need a larger military to protect with force physical property AND digital property.
    - soared 5y ago
      “Bitcoin will end all war” Now that’s a quote for the ages…
    - sofixa 5y ago
      I'm fairly certain that's some sort of elaborate joke I'm not getting. In case you're serious: *bullshit*. There have been wars before there was money, and before there was modern money. WWI is modern ( thatl's where all modern military tech bar drones came to be) and it was while countries were on the gold standard. And it was as "perpetual" as it gets in terms of wars.
      - randomhodler84 5y ago
        No joke. Until the invention of cryptocurrency, the ledger of ownership of all the things had to be enforced by a gun. Physical violence to protect property. People would give their lives to enforce a consensus of ownership. We now have a way that doesn’t need guns. It uses mathematics of cryptographic signatures for authentication and integrity, that is verifiable anywhere and without trusted third parties. This is as radical shift in societies power structures. I think you are not getting it because you are still in the “silly criminal money” phase. Don’t worry, give it another 3 years and you will be wishing you bought sats today. Ww1 ww2 all were funded by debasement. All parties did it. It’s a lesson as old as time, but no. Different this time!
        sofixa 5y ago
        You're delusional. At least your username is apt. So. Your premise is flawed. Violence has been a part of humanity for as long as humanity has existed. Your blockchain doesn't solve shit against violence - if a foreign army attacks your country for resources, they can take it, including your crypto, by sheer violence (insert $10 wrench xkcd here). A government doesn't need to print money to finance a war. And even in your imaginary scenario where everything is on a blockchain, what exactly would stop a militia from creating their own separate currency to pay workers under their control for food and weapons? And then attacking everyone else for more resources? You're fundamentally misunderstanding how humans work. > Ww1 ww2 all were funded by debasement. No, they were funded by bonds and loans. That's why economies were crippled, even on the victorious side that didn't endure a blockade. Rationing was deflationary. Are you just making shit up as you go?

kayamon 5y ago

Yes they are. Wars are funded via inflation. Bitcoin solves inflation by using computers to allow trading bottled energy online, thereby pulling the funding out from under oligarchs.

sofixa 5y ago
> Wars are funded via inflation That's got to be one of the weirdest things I've ever heard. Inflation is a side effect of war, either due money printing to fund ( rare in non-failing countries, bond issues and loans are much more popular) or, more often, due to supply scarcity ( due to more limited trade, redirection of resources to the military, conscription of men for the army). Bitcoin does nothing for either scenario. Obviously it doesn't help supply, and no government would limit itself on monetary policy by exclusively adopting bitcoin; and even if for some reason they do, they can still emit bonds and get loans.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  That is actually.. a very intriguing ( yet horrifying ) question. Were there any studies of inflationary pressures pre, during, and after a war? My gut tells me it depends on the scale of destruction ( WW2 comes to mind ), but I don't remember reading anything on that subject.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Hm. I'm not aware of anything specifically about inflation, but IMHO it would be very hard to compare due to the plethora of variables - e.g. rationing, destruction, death, all of which would be deflationary.
- kayamon 5y ago
  And what happens if the people can trade without requiring the governments or their monetary policies?
  - sofixa 5y ago

thomastjeffery 5y ago

So if they are, they should be imprisoned? Maybe you haven't met someone with high-functioning autism. Being naive is essentially a symptom.

otterley 5y ago
Autistic people have to obey the law just like anyone else does. As a community, we should do all we can to help dissuade or prevent them from doing things that would be illegal, much like we hold a child's hand when we cross the street to keep them from running into traffic and being hit by a car.
afarrell 5y ago
We should strongly advise naive people not to get involved in either gang warfare or inter-nation conflicts.

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