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You’re conflating everyone in a massive group. Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. Can’t make this up! Developers want open s

You’re conflating everyone in a massive group. Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. Can’t make this up! Developers want open source then they make closed source products. Can’t make this up!

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
> Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. Can’t make this up! Literally only 32% of Americans are completely pro-choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx And, actually, most Americans support limitations on abortion. I'm not sure how you came to the idea that the vast majority of Americans are pro-choice.
- gcthomas 5y ago
  Your link shows 81% in favour of abortion, with or without some restrictions, with 19% against abortion. Wanting abortion rights is not synonymous with being pro-choice, which carries implications of no restrictions at all.
  - dlp211 5y ago
    I hope I didn't misunderstand what you wrote, but where did you get the idea that being pro-choice means the ability to get an abortion from 0 months to 9 months pregnant? There is obviously a spectrum to being pro-choice, but if I had to bet I'd put the majority of pro-choice folks follow: that woman has the right to choose to have an abortion while the fetus is generally considered pre-viability by the medical profession and under extreme circumstances where the life of the mother is at risk and/or the baby is now non-viable or will suffer a short and traumatic life.
    - gcthomas 5y ago
      Thanks, it seems that I have been interpreting the term pro-choice incorrectly.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
  Eh, I think half the problem is that I've met a lot of people who spout the "Pro-life is not anti-choice!" line. They're in favor of legal abortions, yet call themselves pro-life. It gets muddy when you start to talk about wanting it "legal only under certain circumstances". How the people in that group identify is essentially a coin flip. > And, actually, most Americans support limitations on abortion. Yes. Like, I think it should only be legal during the first trimester. I still call myself pro-choice.
- thwayunion 5y ago
  I think the post you're responding to is correct according to the survey you shared. First, a quick note. The gallup poll posted by onlyrealcuzzo seems ripe for "lying with statistics" on either side of the issue. For example, we could say "only 32% of people are totally pro-choice" but could also say "open 19% of people are totally pro-life". We could say "60% of people support Roe vs Wade" or we could say "most Americans do not support third trimester abortions without special reason". Interpreting the poll with respect to a specific claim therefore requires care. As a reminder, GP stated: >> Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. First, do Americans want abortion rights? The only question on the poll that directly asks about "rights" is the question about Roe v Wade, and nearly 60% of respondents do not want Roe-Wade overturned. Second, do Americans oppose laws being passed against abortion? Only 22% of respondents are dissatisfied with current laws and also want stricter abortion laws. More importantly, GP's characterization is STARKLY true if we look at how laws have changed recently. E.g., the new Oklahoma and Idaho laws ban abortion in cases of rape/incest. The gallup poll indicates that a whopping 83% of Americans support support first trimester abortions in cases of rape/incest, and that number is still over 50% in the third trimester. This is a clear and unambiguous case of GP being correct according to onlyrealcuzzo's source. I think it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to interpret the gallup poll as stating that Americans don't oppose the types of abortion laws being passed now, sometimes in strikingly huge majorities.
asdffdsa 5y ago
The whole point of crypto is that it was a form of currency that's unregulated, so a more accurate comparison would be "open source advocates complain when other people use their code without their knowledge. Can't make this up!"

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago

> Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. Can’t make this up! Literally only 32% of Americans are completely pro-choice: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx And, actually, most Americans support limitations on abortion. I'm not sure how you came to the idea that the vast majority of Americans are pro-choice.

gcthomas 5y ago
Your link shows 81% in favour of abortion, with or without some restrictions, with 19% against abortion. Wanting abortion rights is not synonymous with being pro-choice, which carries implications of no restrictions at all.
- dlp211 5y ago
  I hope I didn't misunderstand what you wrote, but where did you get the idea that being pro-choice means the ability to get an abortion from 0 months to 9 months pregnant? There is obviously a spectrum to being pro-choice, but if I had to bet I'd put the majority of pro-choice folks follow: that woman has the right to choose to have an abortion while the fetus is generally considered pre-viability by the medical profession and under extreme circumstances where the life of the mother is at risk and/or the baby is now non-viable or will suffer a short and traumatic life.
  - gcthomas 5y ago
    Thanks, it seems that I have been interpreting the term pro-choice incorrectly.
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
Eh, I think half the problem is that I've met a lot of people who spout the "Pro-life is not anti-choice!" line. They're in favor of legal abortions, yet call themselves pro-life. It gets muddy when you start to talk about wanting it "legal only under certain circumstances". How the people in that group identify is essentially a coin flip. > And, actually, most Americans support limitations on abortion. Yes. Like, I think it should only be legal during the first trimester. I still call myself pro-choice.
thwayunion 5y ago
I think the post you're responding to is correct according to the survey you shared. First, a quick note. The gallup poll posted by onlyrealcuzzo seems ripe for "lying with statistics" on either side of the issue. For example, we could say "only 32% of people are totally pro-choice" but could also say "open 19% of people are totally pro-life". We could say "60% of people support Roe vs Wade" or we could say "most Americans do not support third trimester abortions without special reason". Interpreting the poll with respect to a specific claim therefore requires care. As a reminder, GP stated: >> Americans want abortion rights then they pass laws against abortion. First, do Americans want abortion rights? The only question on the poll that directly asks about "rights" is the question about Roe v Wade, and nearly 60% of respondents do not want Roe-Wade overturned. Second, do Americans oppose laws being passed against abortion? Only 22% of respondents are dissatisfied with current laws and also want stricter abortion laws. More importantly, GP's characterization is STARKLY true if we look at how laws have changed recently. E.g., the new Oklahoma and Idaho laws ban abortion in cases of rape/incest. The gallup poll indicates that a whopping 83% of Americans support support first trimester abortions in cases of rape/incest, and that number is still over 50% in the third trimester. This is a clear and unambiguous case of GP being correct according to onlyrealcuzzo's source. I think it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to interpret the gallup poll as stating that Americans don't oppose the types of abortion laws being passed now, sometimes in strikingly huge majorities.

asdffdsa 5y ago

The whole point of crypto is that it was a form of currency that's unregulated, so a more accurate comparison would be "open source advocates complain when other people use their code without their knowledge. Can't make this up!"