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This guy (and friends) are basically the reason everyone hates America.

by cmmeur01 5y ago

TremendousJudge 5y ago
They certainly didn't help, but the US was doing shady foreign policy stuff long before the 50s
- newsclues 5y ago
  Yeah the problem was they had the WW2 machine at their disposal and they used the unprecedented power without thought to the long term consequences we now suffer.
  - buscoquadnary 5y ago
    They also had a genocidal dictator in charge of 1/3 of the worlds population held in a totalitarian dystopia whose core tenant was the abolition of the United States and the way of life it represented. I will agree that not considering long term consequences was a problem, but it's not like they were doing it just for funsies.
- buscoquadnary 5y ago
  Were they? I mean before the 50's you have the 40's the 40's are notable because of WW2, prior to that America was pretty isolationist. I mean I am a huge US History buff, and fascinate with the secret stuff, but tbh, I mean the US wasn't all that involved in other people's governments until after the end of WWII. So 5 years isn't really long before.
  - qiskit 5y ago
    > Were they? I mean before the 50's you have the 40's the 40's are notable because of WW2, prior to that America was pretty isolationist. Were we? Then how did we expand from 13 states to 50? What were the wars with mexico, spain, china, etc about? How does that explain commodore perry and his black ships in japan? Did he get lost? We had colonies from china to japan to africa to the caribbean before ww2. The isolationist propaganda is what we are taught in school. But like most history/propaganda, if you just dig a little bit deeper, it's all nonsense. We were the greatest expansionist force in the world in the 19th and 20th century.
  - mattbrewsbytes 5y ago
    There were spies used in the Revolutionary War. Other nation states have had spies as well, like the Roman Empire. Spycraft/espionage have existed for hundreds of years.
99_00 5y ago
>everyone hates America Source? Which country doesn't or hasn't engaged in espionage?

This guy (and friends) are basically the reason everyone hates America.

TremendousJudge 5y ago

They certainly didn't help, but the US was doing shady foreign policy stuff long before the 50s

newsclues 5y ago
Yeah the problem was they had the WW2 machine at their disposal and they used the unprecedented power without thought to the long term consequences we now suffer.
- buscoquadnary 5y ago
  They also had a genocidal dictator in charge of 1/3 of the worlds population held in a totalitarian dystopia whose core tenant was the abolition of the United States and the way of life it represented. I will agree that not considering long term consequences was a problem, but it's not like they were doing it just for funsies.
buscoquadnary 5y ago
Were they? I mean before the 50's you have the 40's the 40's are notable because of WW2, prior to that America was pretty isolationist. I mean I am a huge US History buff, and fascinate with the secret stuff, but tbh, I mean the US wasn't all that involved in other people's governments until after the end of WWII. So 5 years isn't really long before.
- qiskit 5y ago
  > Were they? I mean before the 50's you have the 40's the 40's are notable because of WW2, prior to that America was pretty isolationist. Were we? Then how did we expand from 13 states to 50? What were the wars with mexico, spain, china, etc about? How does that explain commodore perry and his black ships in japan? Did he get lost? We had colonies from china to japan to africa to the caribbean before ww2. The isolationist propaganda is what we are taught in school. But like most history/propaganda, if you just dig a little bit deeper, it's all nonsense. We were the greatest expansionist force in the world in the 19th and 20th century.
- mattbrewsbytes 5y ago
  There were spies used in the Revolutionary War. Other nation states have had spies as well, like the Roman Empire. Spycraft/espionage have existed for hundreds of years.

99_00 5y ago

>everyone hates America Source? Which country doesn't or hasn't engaged in espionage?