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The movies you listed fail in a different way. There are plenty of explosions and fight scenes in The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel. What they do share is that t

The movies you listed fail in a different way. There are plenty of explosions and fight scenes in The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel. What they do share is that the main character is an underdeveloped Mary Sue, without character flaws, without weaknesses they must overcome. They're just made awesome from the start. It probably stems from the inability of current Hollywood to portray female characters as having any weaknesses at all, that would be heresy. The result is that it's hard to empathize with and care about the main character. They don't have any dimensionality. Of the ones you listed I watched The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel. I know what I wrote is also true for Mulan thanks to friends who watched it and the Critical Drinker. He has a couple good films on YouTube actually demonstrating this aspect of modern films: - Mulan: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIH-eFqBLP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIH-eFqBLP4> - Star Wars: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSj6wEm4zZY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSj6wEm4zZY> - Captain Marvel: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKHEjpFF6J0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKHEjpFF6J0>

noisy_boy 5y ago
> What they do share is that the main character is an underdeveloped Mary Sue, without character flaws, without weaknesses they must overcome. Regarding Rey in context of The Last Jedi, did we watch the same movie? She was basically a mixture of having doubt and uncertainty and being troubled for the large part of the movie. Only in the confrontation with Kylo, we see her inner strength but even that was tempered with her vulnerability - its not like she vanquished Kylo with a smirk.
- yakubin 5y ago
  She never lost a fight. She's never shown to have any moral flaws. Compare that to Anakin who lost plenty of fights (thereby also losing parts of his body) despite being an overpowered character; he was also arrogant and impatient. What moral flaws does Rey have? Doubting yourself and then winning at everything doesn't make you relatable. It makes you like that colleague from school who was stressed out before every exam, saying for sure they're gone fail, proceeding to have straight A's from every one of them. When you hear them doubt themselves next time, you don't empathise with them, you say "oh shut up".
  - digisign 5y ago
    When she did the mind trick on accident(?) and without a single lick of instruction, I was done.
goto11 5y ago
The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker both have the same main character. But the difference critic/audience ratings are stark. Critics rate The Last Jedi significantly higher than the audience average, while they rate Rise of Skywalker significantly lower. The difference is not in the main character, the difference is in how the movies relate to the established conventions of the franchise.
Gareth321 5y ago
>What they do share is that the main character is an underdeveloped Mary Sue, without character flaws, without weaknesses they must overcome. They're just made awesome from the start. It probably stems from the inability of current Hollywood to portray female characters as having any weaknesses at all, that would be heresy. The result is that it's hard to empathize with and care about the main character. They don't have any dimensionality. I agree. This seems obvious. So why can't these sophisticated critics see this and rate the movie accordingly? They're obviously using a completely different set of criteria to rate movies, and entertainment is far down the list.
- Jtype 5y ago
  because $$$

noisy_boy 5y ago

> What they do share is that the main character is an underdeveloped Mary Sue, without character flaws, without weaknesses they must overcome. Regarding Rey in context of The Last Jedi, did we watch the same movie? She was basically a mixture of having doubt and uncertainty and being troubled for the large part of the movie. Only in the confrontation with Kylo, we see her inner strength but even that was tempered with her vulnerability - its not like she vanquished Kylo with a smirk.

yakubin 5y ago
She never lost a fight. She's never shown to have any moral flaws. Compare that to Anakin who lost plenty of fights (thereby also losing parts of his body) despite being an overpowered character; he was also arrogant and impatient. What moral flaws does Rey have? Doubting yourself and then winning at everything doesn't make you relatable. It makes you like that colleague from school who was stressed out before every exam, saying for sure they're gone fail, proceeding to have straight A's from every one of them. When you hear them doubt themselves next time, you don't empathise with them, you say "oh shut up".
- digisign 5y ago
  When she did the mind trick on accident(?) and without a single lick of instruction, I was done.

goto11 5y ago

The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker both have the same main character. But the difference critic/audience ratings are stark. Critics rate The Last Jedi significantly higher than the audience average, while they rate Rise of Skywalker significantly lower. The difference is not in the main character, the difference is in how the movies relate to the established conventions of the franchise.

Gareth321 5y ago

>What they do share is that the main character is an underdeveloped Mary Sue, without character flaws, without weaknesses they must overcome. They're just made awesome from the start. It probably stems from the inability of current Hollywood to portray female characters as having any weaknesses at all, that would be heresy. The result is that it's hard to empathize with and care about the main character. They don't have any dimensionality. I agree. This seems obvious. So why can't these sophisticated critics see this and rate the movie accordingly? They're obviously using a completely different set of criteria to rate movies, and entertainment is far down the list.

Jtype 5y ago
because $$$