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So I am assuming that every product you buy, every merchant you frequent, every service you utilize…are only providers with active unions? Willing to bet they

So I am assuming that every product you buy, every merchant you frequent, every service you utilize…are only providers with active unions? Willing to bet they aren’t…or you don’t know if they are or not, had no idea if they were unionizing or not, and didn’t think to even care before my comment. Thanks for the honesty points.

kennywinker 5y ago
I think it was less about unions and more about your sentiment of only caring about getting a service and not at all about the welfare of the people who bring you that service. As for your hypocrisy accusation - we both know that’s not a valid argument. If you’re anything less than perfect you can't criticize? Nope.
- kcplate 5y ago
  Reality isn’t always virtuous. The smart phone in your hand or the computer you typed your comment on was likely developed by people who were likely unhappy with their working conditions and wage (assuming they even received one). You still bought it. You justified or overlooked the ugly to get the product you wanted or needed. Your shocked because I said it out loud?
  - kennywinker 5y ago
    I’m “shocked” because you basically said the meme out loud https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/capitalism-made-your-iphone https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/capitalism-made-your-iphone The idea that the phone I own invalidates any efforts to improve things is a parody of an argument. If I had the ability to buy a phone that wasn’t made in terrible conditions, I would. If I had the luxury of being able to live without a phone, I would. I don’t, so the idea that now any criticism I have of workers conditions anywhere are invalid is laughable and ignores the numerous and very real ways I vote with my dollars for better working conditions
    - kcplate 5y ago
      The phone you own doesn’t invalidate your efforts, but it precisely illustrates my example. You opted to overlook something you might disagree with to get a product you wanted or needed. You chose not to sacrifice. Good for you.
      - kennywinker 5y ago
        You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between my "I don't have any good options" and your "I don't care if this option is good or bad".
        kcplate 5y ago
        Did I? You seem to have missed my comment above: “You justified or overlooked the ugly to get the product you wanted or needed” >I don’t have any options Sounds like a justification for that action all day long to me.

kennywinker 5y ago

I think it was less about unions and more about your sentiment of only caring about getting a service and not at all about the welfare of the people who bring you that service. As for your hypocrisy accusation - we both know that’s not a valid argument. If you’re anything less than perfect you can't criticize? Nope.

kcplate 5y ago
Reality isn’t always virtuous. The smart phone in your hand or the computer you typed your comment on was likely developed by people who were likely unhappy with their working conditions and wage (assuming they even received one). You still bought it. You justified or overlooked the ugly to get the product you wanted or needed. Your shocked because I said it out loud?
- kennywinker 5y ago
  I’m “shocked” because you basically said the meme out loud https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/capitalism-made-your-iphone https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/capitalism-made-your-iphone The idea that the phone I own invalidates any efforts to improve things is a parody of an argument. If I had the ability to buy a phone that wasn’t made in terrible conditions, I would. If I had the luxury of being able to live without a phone, I would. I don’t, so the idea that now any criticism I have of workers conditions anywhere are invalid is laughable and ignores the numerous and very real ways I vote with my dollars for better working conditions
  - kcplate 5y ago
    The phone you own doesn’t invalidate your efforts, but it precisely illustrates my example. You opted to overlook something you might disagree with to get a product you wanted or needed. You chose not to sacrifice. Good for you.
    - kennywinker 5y ago
      You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between my "I don't have any good options" and your "I don't care if this option is good or bad".
      - kcplate 5y ago
        Did I? You seem to have missed my comment above: “You justified or overlooked the ugly to get the product you wanted or needed” >I don’t have any options Sounds like a justification for that action all day long to me.