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All of the above. Anything that shouldn't be crossing.

didibus 5y ago
Do you also expect all cars crossing the border to go through full inspection for all of the above all the time? I guess my personal assessment is that none of those are that big a deal to warrant so much inconvenience to most Americans crossing the border, including our trucking companies and their trucks. You could just let people buy and consume drugs if they want, don't know why we took away that freedom in the first place. Texans love guns, so not sure why we'd want to prevent them from entering. Illegal migrants can also be deported after the fact, so I'm not sure you have to catch them all on entry, and a lot of them provide valuable cheap labor. And even if we want to prevent some of that, I really don't know if it's to the point of having trucks wait days for an inspection or spending all that money on infrared, AI, and what not.
- jollybean 5y ago
  This is really naive. Let's take the 'no borders' situation - and throw in 'no drug regulation': 1) The immediate availability of narcotics would devestate the country within a few months. The opioid epidemic is already causing great harm, and that's something that was actually contained initially within the confines of the American medical system: you had do have prescription, from a doctor, and access a controlled substance. And even then - it's bad. With fentanyl now available, which by the way, is the #1 drug of choice among recent opioid addicts because it's just 'much better' - we're seeing devestating results. A completely liberal free for all would mean all sorts of things: energy drinks, candy, food, would be embedded with various drugs. America is not 'burning man' - with mostly high responsible actors, doing stuff 'on the side' where it's not open, and not usually within 'arms reach'. Even the professionals who can 'handle their stuff' at burning man, were things to become as easy as coca cola to access, would fall under. Within about 5 months, 5% of the population would be addicted to meth or opiods, it would be a massive public health disaster of epic proportions. And while organized crime might not exist, petty crime would skyrocket. 2) "Texans love guns, so not sure why we'd want to prevent them from entering." Because guns are a controlled commodity for similar reasons. Every state has regulations. Do you want fully automatic machine guns, grenades, CS gas easily accessible to every baddie in America for a few dollars? It's absurd. 3) "Illegal migrants can also be deported after the fact" No, they can't. Illegal immigrants are not deported unless they have committed major crimes, because it's too expensive and politically untenable. 'Open Borders' would mean millions of people arbitrarily flowing into the US until the system was degraded to the point where there wasn't an advantage in coming to the US. When it has failed as badly as Brazil, well, people will stop coming. 4) It's really absurd that people think laws, borders, rules etc. don't matter and are somehow arbitrarily limiting. Those are part of the fundamental building blocks of civil society. Mexico is a broken state, the US is mostly a civil state, which is a delicate thing. One of the first things to happen with 'open borders' would be the Cartels themselves using it as an opportunity to corrupt American politicians. Money is a very powerful thing, unrestrained it would corrupt Arizona / New Mexico politics and Justice System relatively quickly and the dominoes would start to fall.
  - didibus 5y ago
    You seem to be jumping from one extreme to another, where as I'm taking the stance of keeping things in their current state, as it's been, for the last 20+ years, which haven't resulted in the devastation of the US that you seem to be so worried about. That doesn't mean open borders, just don't force all trucks through a full inspection. Check papers, ask a few questions, randomly inspect a few, and inspect those that are more suspicious looking. Seems to have been working alright to me. I also don't know why you jump straight to complete deregulation of all drugs. Coca cola can't put bleach in the drink and yet I can buy bleach. Alcohol doesn't show up in kid products, and THC isn't suddenly put in kit kat bars. Also from my understanding, it wasn't contained to pharmaceutical, it was that over prescription made people who would have not taken opioid of their free will become addicted. And there's definitely studies and papers on the counter effect of prohibition policies in actually making matters worse: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0955395917301548 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09553...

Do you also expect all cars crossing the border to go through full inspection for all of the above all the time? I guess my personal assessment is that none of those are that big a deal to warrant so much inconvenience to most Americans crossing the border, including our trucking companies and their trucks. You could just let people buy and consume drugs if they want, don't know why we took away that freedom in the first place. Texans love guns, so not sure why we'd want to prevent them from entering. Illegal migrants can also be deported after the fact, so I'm not sure you have to catch them all on entry, and a lot of them provide valuable cheap labor. And even if we want to prevent some of that, I really don't know if it's to the point of having trucks wait days for an inspection or spending all that money on infrared, AI, and what not.

jollybean 5y ago
This is really naive. Let's take the 'no borders' situation - and throw in 'no drug regulation': 1) The immediate availability of narcotics would devestate the country within a few months. The opioid epidemic is already causing great harm, and that's something that was actually contained initially within the confines of the American medical system: you had do have prescription, from a doctor, and access a controlled substance. And even then - it's bad. With fentanyl now available, which by the way, is the #1 drug of choice among recent opioid addicts because it's just 'much better' - we're seeing devestating results. A completely liberal free for all would mean all sorts of things: energy drinks, candy, food, would be embedded with various drugs. America is not 'burning man' - with mostly high responsible actors, doing stuff 'on the side' where it's not open, and not usually within 'arms reach'. Even the professionals who can 'handle their stuff' at burning man, were things to become as easy as coca cola to access, would fall under. Within about 5 months, 5% of the population would be addicted to meth or opiods, it would be a massive public health disaster of epic proportions. And while organized crime might not exist, petty crime would skyrocket. 2) "Texans love guns, so not sure why we'd want to prevent them from entering." Because guns are a controlled commodity for similar reasons. Every state has regulations. Do you want fully automatic machine guns, grenades, CS gas easily accessible to every baddie in America for a few dollars? It's absurd. 3) "Illegal migrants can also be deported after the fact" No, they can't. Illegal immigrants are not deported unless they have committed major crimes, because it's too expensive and politically untenable. 'Open Borders' would mean millions of people arbitrarily flowing into the US until the system was degraded to the point where there wasn't an advantage in coming to the US. When it has failed as badly as Brazil, well, people will stop coming. 4) It's really absurd that people think laws, borders, rules etc. don't matter and are somehow arbitrarily limiting. Those are part of the fundamental building blocks of civil society. Mexico is a broken state, the US is mostly a civil state, which is a delicate thing. One of the first things to happen with 'open borders' would be the Cartels themselves using it as an opportunity to corrupt American politicians. Money is a very powerful thing, unrestrained it would corrupt Arizona / New Mexico politics and Justice System relatively quickly and the dominoes would start to fall.
- didibus 5y ago
  You seem to be jumping from one extreme to another, where as I'm taking the stance of keeping things in their current state, as it's been, for the last 20+ years, which haven't resulted in the devastation of the US that you seem to be so worried about. That doesn't mean open borders, just don't force all trucks through a full inspection. Check papers, ask a few questions, randomly inspect a few, and inspect those that are more suspicious looking. Seems to have been working alright to me. I also don't know why you jump straight to complete deregulation of all drugs. Coca cola can't put bleach in the drink and yet I can buy bleach. Alcohol doesn't show up in kid products, and THC isn't suddenly put in kit kat bars. Also from my understanding, it wasn't contained to pharmaceutical, it was that over prescription made people who would have not taken opioid of their free will become addicted. And there's definitely studies and papers on the counter effect of prohibition policies in actually making matters worse: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0955395917301548 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09553...