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This seems kinda analogous to Amazon Basics pulling the rug out from under successful third parties on their platform. Spotify has provided a platform for arti

This seems kinda analogous to Amazon Basics pulling the rug out from under successful third parties on their platform. Spotify has provided a platform for artists to release music on, and implicitly promised that they will curate that music in playlists etc to promote the artists. But then they pull the rug out from under them and just push in house stuff instead, denying royalties to the artists that probably only joined the platform because Spotify /weren't/ doing stuff like this. People saying OP is just upset that "non famous artists" are being recommended or that these artists aren't really "fake" are missing the point - these are artists created /by Spotify/ being promoted /instead of/ artists that Spotify would actually have to pay royalties to. There's clearly some perverse incentives here.

avs733 5y ago
that was my take too. As with any company, if they can stop sharing revenue with third parties it seems almost inevitable that they will. It isn't just Amazon basics, its Netflix producing its own shows that are a product of machine learning about people's preferences. Whether that is good or bad is a different question Whether they are being honest about it is a different question Whether they should inform people / people should inform themselves is a different question But I see the perverse incentives as a problem, and the the misleading behavior as another the problem...the incentive is universal in any platform that has to pay for the content it hosts, and while folks may be okay with this one, whats the limit? If they really stood behind this they would be transparent 'here I'm playing you music created by spotify to fill your home with generic low-engagement sound. The fact that they are obfuscating it is telling.
- p1necone 5y ago
  Netflix doing it bothers me less than Spotify and Amazon for some reason. I think it's because TV/Movie production needs a proportionally much larger crew of people and budget behind it to produce content. So Netflix is both enabling things to be created that couldn't be without their help and there's actually a significant cost to them to produce said content. Also, the in house content that Netflix puts out strikes me as much more unique than HDMI cables and background music jazz playlists. I guess I'd be more okay with Spotify doing this if they approached it more like a genuine record label, as opposed to what seems like anonymous session musicians + graphic design? Basically the problem I have is that they're able to get away with putting out low effort content because they can algorithmically recommend it to people. If they had to compete for listeners on an equal playing field with all the other artists on the platform it wouldn't really be a problem.
  - antifa 5y ago
    Netflix doesn't let anyone upload videos/music like youtube and spotify and they also clearly brand their shows as "netflix original".

avs733 5y ago

that was my take too. As with any company, if they can stop sharing revenue with third parties it seems almost inevitable that they will. It isn't just Amazon basics, its Netflix producing its own shows that are a product of machine learning about people's preferences. Whether that is good or bad is a different question Whether they are being honest about it is a different question Whether they should inform people / people should inform themselves is a different question But I see the perverse incentives as a problem, and the the misleading behavior as another the problem...the incentive is universal in any platform that has to pay for the content it hosts, and while folks may be okay with this one, whats the limit? If they really stood behind this they would be transparent 'here I'm playing you music created by spotify to fill your home with generic low-engagement sound. The fact that they are obfuscating it is telling.

p1necone 5y ago
Netflix doing it bothers me less than Spotify and Amazon for some reason. I think it's because TV/Movie production needs a proportionally much larger crew of people and budget behind it to produce content. So Netflix is both enabling things to be created that couldn't be without their help and there's actually a significant cost to them to produce said content. Also, the in house content that Netflix puts out strikes me as much more unique than HDMI cables and background music jazz playlists. I guess I'd be more okay with Spotify doing this if they approached it more like a genuine record label, as opposed to what seems like anonymous session musicians + graphic design? Basically the problem I have is that they're able to get away with putting out low effort content because they can algorithmically recommend it to people. If they had to compete for listeners on an equal playing field with all the other artists on the platform it wouldn't really be a problem.
- antifa 5y ago
  Netflix doesn't let anyone upload videos/music like youtube and spotify and they also clearly brand their shows as "netflix original".