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I've been using Apple products for almost 30 years (good ol' System 7.5) but this absolute bullshit of user hostility has made me switch to a Pixel 6 most recen

by tapoxi 5y ago

I've been using Apple products for almost 30 years (good ol' System 7.5) but this absolute bullshit of user hostility has made me switch to a Pixel 6 most recently. The App Store, the Lightning connector, two huge hassles that only exist to make Apple more money on top of the premium you already paid for the hardware. It's my device! I paid a premium for it!

noasaservice 5y ago
> I paid a premium for it! You sure paid a lot for a rental. You cant even run your own programs on it, unless you pay $100/yr to them IN ADDITION TO "buying" the hardware.
- kemayo 5y ago
  You don't actually need to do that. You can use Xcode to put any app you compile onto an iPhone connected to your Mac, regardless of whether you're paying. However, if you're not paying then those apps will only work for 7 days before you have to re-deploy them. I'm not saying this is great. Just that you were wrong. :D (To be fair, this is a fairly recent change. 2019 or so, I think?)
  - username190 5y ago
    I believe you’re limited to 3 apps this way, as well as being limited to 10 App IDs (most popular apps will include multiple App IDs for things like extensions, widgets, etc). If you have the $99/yr Apple Developer account that the user mentioned, those restrictions don’t apply.
  - cultofmetatron 5y ago
    is the bar really so low that "need to connect your mac and redeploy the app every 7 days" is acceptable??
    - kemayo 5y ago
      I did say it wasn't great. It's just not as bad as the poster claimed.
      - noasaservice 5y ago
        For "ownership", thats a LOT of terms of restriction. Sure sounds like a rental. If you think what you typed was somehow a "gotcha", its not. It just shows how stupid apple users are willing to defend their abuses.
        kemayo 5y ago
        It’s not a gotcha, friend. It’s just that you were wrong. You can now say the accurate thing instead and still be making a good point.
derefr 5y ago
Apologies in advance for the rant: > the Lightning connector Lightning is the better-engineered physical connector. Quite-heavy phones can be held up on a charging cradle with 100% of the load placed on the Lightning connector, while this would destroy a USB-C connector. A Lightning jack is a solid piece of aluminum, plus two plastic bits on either side with wires running up them. It's simple and robust. The socket is equally simple. USB-C — all of the USBs, really — give unneeded opportunity to catch debris inside the connectors and then force said debris into the slots, gumming it up. Lightning avoids this; the jack is designed to be completely flat+smooth+convex, so no debris collects on/in it. The only reason USB-C doesn't just use a Lightning connector is spite. IIRC, Apple offered the USB Forum the Lightning connector patents if they wanted them, but they refused. Instead, the USB Forum copied what they considered the desirable features of Lightning — e.g. reversibility; but implemented them worse (with non-mirrored sense pins requiring USB PHYs to understand orientation); and then sought extra trouble trying to solve problems that people provably hadn't been having with Lightning (e.g. re-adding a shroud for the pins — presumably to protect from scratches/rust — when nobody has ever had a Lightning cable fail for this reason; where this design choice increased the failure rate of USB-C sockets. The cables are supposed to have the sacrificial side of the connection!)
- goosedragons 5y ago
  Hah! I had to clean pocket lint out of my XS like a half dozen times in the two years I used it. I've known a few people with iPhones that have had this problem too where it stops charging and the culprit is lint. Apple even has a special tool just for this for purpose they give to Geniuses. Maybe it doesn't happen cable end but it sure happens pocket end. I've mostly had Android phones and haven't had to clean as many USB C ports as the XS. Lightning also has that problem where the 4th pin burns out and now you have a cable that charges one way. I've yet to have that happen on a USB C cable.
  - gnicholas 5y ago
    That's a lot of lint! I've had iPhones from day 1 and only needed to clean out 4-5 times total. Easy to do with a toothpick or canned air!
kemayo 5y ago
I don't think you can say Lightning only exists to make Apple money. They did come out with it a decent length of time before USB-C was finalized (2012 vs 2014), and (I think) Lightning is clearly superior to pre-C USB options for a phone. Then when USB-C was available, Apple had only just switched connectors, and there were enough angry people when they switched away from the 30-pin connector (which had been in use for ~9 years) that switching connectors again after only a few years would have been a massive source of drama. They do seem to be slowly working towards a switch now, with USB-C showing up in iPads over the last few years, but I sincerely think that it'd have been overall bad for their PR to try to switch iPhones away anytime earlier than the last year or two. The longer they linger now, admittedly, the more money-grubbing it'll seem.

by tapoxi 5y ago

noasaservice 5y ago

> I paid a premium for it! You sure paid a lot for a rental. You cant even run your own programs on it, unless you pay $100/yr to them IN ADDITION TO "buying" the hardware.

kemayo 5y ago
You don't actually need to do that. You can use Xcode to put any app you compile onto an iPhone connected to your Mac, regardless of whether you're paying. However, if you're not paying then those apps will only work for 7 days before you have to re-deploy them. I'm not saying this is great. Just that you were wrong. :D (To be fair, this is a fairly recent change. 2019 or so, I think?)
- username190 5y ago
  I believe you’re limited to 3 apps this way, as well as being limited to 10 App IDs (most popular apps will include multiple App IDs for things like extensions, widgets, etc). If you have the $99/yr Apple Developer account that the user mentioned, those restrictions don’t apply.
- cultofmetatron 5y ago
  is the bar really so low that "need to connect your mac and redeploy the app every 7 days" is acceptable??
  - kemayo 5y ago
    I did say it wasn't great. It's just not as bad as the poster claimed.
    - noasaservice 5y ago
      For "ownership", thats a LOT of terms of restriction. Sure sounds like a rental. If you think what you typed was somehow a "gotcha", its not. It just shows how stupid apple users are willing to defend their abuses.
      - kemayo 5y ago
        It’s not a gotcha, friend. It’s just that you were wrong. You can now say the accurate thing instead and still be making a good point.

derefr 5y ago

Apologies in advance for the rant: > the Lightning connector Lightning is the better-engineered physical connector. Quite-heavy phones can be held up on a charging cradle with 100% of the load placed on the Lightning connector, while this would destroy a USB-C connector. A Lightning jack is a solid piece of aluminum, plus two plastic bits on either side with wires running up them. It's simple and robust. The socket is equally simple. USB-C — all of the USBs, really — give unneeded opportunity to catch debris inside the connectors and then force said debris into the slots, gumming it up. Lightning avoids this; the jack is designed to be completely flat+smooth+convex, so no debris collects on/in it. The only reason USB-C doesn't just use a Lightning connector is spite. IIRC, Apple offered the USB Forum the Lightning connector patents if they wanted them, but they refused. Instead, the USB Forum copied what they considered the desirable features of Lightning — e.g. reversibility; but implemented them worse (with non-mirrored sense pins requiring USB PHYs to understand orientation); and then sought extra trouble trying to solve problems that people provably hadn't been having with Lightning (e.g. re-adding a shroud for the pins — presumably to protect from scratches/rust — when nobody has ever had a Lightning cable fail for this reason; where this design choice increased the failure rate of USB-C sockets. The cables are supposed to have the sacrificial side of the connection!)

goosedragons 5y ago
Hah! I had to clean pocket lint out of my XS like a half dozen times in the two years I used it. I've known a few people with iPhones that have had this problem too where it stops charging and the culprit is lint. Apple even has a special tool just for this for purpose they give to Geniuses. Maybe it doesn't happen cable end but it sure happens pocket end. I've mostly had Android phones and haven't had to clean as many USB C ports as the XS. Lightning also has that problem where the 4th pin burns out and now you have a cable that charges one way. I've yet to have that happen on a USB C cable.
- gnicholas 5y ago
  That's a lot of lint! I've had iPhones from day 1 and only needed to clean out 4-5 times total. Easy to do with a toothpick or canned air!

kemayo 5y ago

I don't think you can say Lightning only exists to make Apple money. They did come out with it a decent length of time before USB-C was finalized (2012 vs 2014), and (I think) Lightning is clearly superior to pre-C USB options for a phone. Then when USB-C was available, Apple had only just switched connectors, and there were enough angry people when they switched away from the 30-pin connector (which had been in use for ~9 years) that switching connectors again after only a few years would have been a massive source of drama. They do seem to be slowly working towards a switch now, with USB-C showing up in iPads over the last few years, but I sincerely think that it'd have been overall bad for their PR to try to switch iPhones away anytime earlier than the last year or two. The longer they linger now, admittedly, the more money-grubbing it'll seem.