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It's amazing that so many people believe the numbers that the Chinese government has been publishing, considering they have been censoring the truth since the v

It's amazing that so many people believe the numbers that the Chinese government has been publishing, considering they have been censoring the truth since the very beginning of the pandemic and arresting people who try to report the truth.

oneoff786 5y ago
Sure but… there’s no reason to believe China is experiencing a significantly worse pandemic. If they’re lying and it’s just America’s 2021 experience with worse vaccines, that’s not really that bad still. Or at least, it’s not “imprison 24 million people in your wealthiest city for weeks with poor food supply planning” level of bad. For all the tiresome arguments of the cure being worse than the disease, just this once I’ll have bite and say yeah, this cure is WAY worse than the disease.
fps_doug 5y ago
It's amazing to me how people resort to these "hurr durr China bad" rhetorics to justify any claim about China. I don't see how the numbers are off besides how they simply couldn't do nearly enough tests by the start of the pandemic in 2020. Zero covid was successful up until Omicron, evidently. While Christmas markets had to close early in Germany because Delta was so bad, you had huge overcrowded markets in Shanghai, with many people not wearing a mask. If anything, we probably have the most statistically significant numbers about infectiousness and ratio of symptomatic:asymptomatic cases because of the totally over the top testing of every possible contact they did whenever even a single case popped up anywhere. If anything, with the current draconian lockdown if they had any incentive to lie, they would have to make it look worse than it actually is to justify it.
- ellopoppit 5y ago
  >I don't see how the numbers are off besides how they simply couldn't do nearly enough tests by the start of the pandemic in 2020. Look harder. April 19th, 2020. Look at the reported deaths before and after; skyrocking, then straight to zero. Then look at the arrests (on that same day) of activists who had been reporting the coverups and censorship that had been happening since the very beginning. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-cor https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-cor... If you dare to know how deep it goes, look at those activists Github page. Use google translate in Chrome.

oneoff786 5y ago

Sure but… there’s no reason to believe China is experiencing a significantly worse pandemic. If they’re lying and it’s just America’s 2021 experience with worse vaccines, that’s not really that bad still. Or at least, it’s not “imprison 24 million people in your wealthiest city for weeks with poor food supply planning” level of bad. For all the tiresome arguments of the cure being worse than the disease, just this once I’ll have bite and say yeah, this cure is WAY worse than the disease.

fps_doug 5y ago

It's amazing to me how people resort to these "hurr durr China bad" rhetorics to justify any claim about China. I don't see how the numbers are off besides how they simply couldn't do nearly enough tests by the start of the pandemic in 2020. Zero covid was successful up until Omicron, evidently. While Christmas markets had to close early in Germany because Delta was so bad, you had huge overcrowded markets in Shanghai, with many people not wearing a mask. If anything, we probably have the most statistically significant numbers about infectiousness and ratio of symptomatic:asymptomatic cases because of the totally over the top testing of every possible contact they did whenever even a single case popped up anywhere. If anything, with the current draconian lockdown if they had any incentive to lie, they would have to make it look worse than it actually is to justify it.

ellopoppit 5y ago
>I don't see how the numbers are off besides how they simply couldn't do nearly enough tests by the start of the pandemic in 2020. Look harder. April 19th, 2020. Look at the reported deaths before and after; skyrocking, then straight to zero. Then look at the arrests (on that same day) of activists who had been reporting the coverups and censorship that had been happening since the very beginning. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-cor https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-cor... If you dare to know how deep it goes, look at those activists Github page. Use google translate in Chrome.