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What's the point of a walled garden if the gardener doesn't give a shit?

by ordinaryradical 5y ago

spacemanmatt 5y ago
Once you're trapped inside their walled garden, they make you call it fertilizer and speak of its virtues.
willis936 5y ago
To make a lot of money.
makecheck 5y ago
It’s like they walled-in the garden, look only at the walls when there’s a problem, and meanwhile the scammers are parachuting in.
ProAm 5y ago
Same reason Amazon doesnt care if they people sell counterfeit items, everyone makes money.
dodobirdlord 5y ago
The counterfactual isn’t that there’s no gardener and things are the same, in the counterfactual with no gardener things are even worse.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  No, the counterfactual is way better. There's no more apps incorrectly rejected, and no more of Apple getting 30% of everyone's money for no good reason. The only benefit walled gardens even supposedly have is that apps like these wouldn't be allowed in.
brimble 5y ago
I can still cancel all my subscriptions on iOS services in one place, very easily, all the same way. I still only have to trust one big, reasonably competent & responsible entity with my money when making a purchase decision, rather than trying to evaluate things on a case-by-case basis with every little two-person indie development shop. I don't have to figure out a different checkout flow for every app or service I buy on iOS. There aren't even two of them! Just one. Consistent, fast, and I trust it (well enough). Apple's overall ecosystem still does a lot to make people feel comfortable & safe saying "yes" to a purchase and installing some software from a developer they've never heard of, even if the curation and presentation could be a lot better (but would just invite more waves of "waaaaah Apple won't let my derivative, inferior, somewhat-scammy app in the store, it's so unfair!" posts on HN, to great acclaim)
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Just because the App Store is overly permissive in its curation in some cases doesn't mean it isn't overly stringent in other ones. Any system can have diametrically opposite problems in different areas. That just means the underlying problem is that the system is huge, hard to police, and suffers from inconsistent enforcement.

What's the point of a walled garden if the gardener doesn't give a shit?

spacemanmatt 5y ago

Once you're trapped inside their walled garden, they make you call it fertilizer and speak of its virtues.

willis936 5y ago

To make a lot of money.

makecheck 5y ago

It’s like they walled-in the garden, look only at the walls when there’s a problem, and meanwhile the scammers are parachuting in.

ProAm 5y ago

Same reason Amazon doesnt care if they people sell counterfeit items, everyone makes money.

dodobirdlord 5y ago

The counterfactual isn’t that there’s no gardener and things are the same, in the counterfactual with no gardener things are even worse.

josephcsible 5y ago
No, the counterfactual is way better. There's no more apps incorrectly rejected, and no more of Apple getting 30% of everyone's money for no good reason. The only benefit walled gardens even supposedly have is that apps like these wouldn't be allowed in.

brimble 5y ago

I can still cancel all my subscriptions on iOS services in one place, very easily, all the same way. I still only have to trust one big, reasonably competent & responsible entity with my money when making a purchase decision, rather than trying to evaluate things on a case-by-case basis with every little two-person indie development shop. I don't have to figure out a different checkout flow for every app or service I buy on iOS. There aren't even two of them! Just one. Consistent, fast, and I trust it (well enough). Apple's overall ecosystem still does a lot to make people feel comfortable & safe saying "yes" to a purchase and installing some software from a developer they've never heard of, even if the curation and presentation could be a lot better (but would just invite more waves of "waaaaah Apple won't let my derivative, inferior, somewhat-scammy app in the store, it's so unfair!" posts on HN, to great acclaim)

Apocryphon 5y ago
Just because the App Store is overly permissive in its curation in some cases doesn't mean it isn't overly stringent in other ones. Any system can have diametrically opposite problems in different areas. That just means the underlying problem is that the system is huge, hard to police, and suffers from inconsistent enforcement.