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Admitting there are two sides is hardly admitting both points of view are equal. This attitude on both sides of if you believe “reasonable thing” that means you

by _3u10 5y ago

Admitting there are two sides is hardly admitting both points of view are equal. This attitude on both sides of if you believe “reasonable thing” that means you believe “unreasonable and unreasonable to infer from what was said” thing creates a lot of animosity. In all honesty your attitude creates a lot of the problems you describe. It’s a free country if people don’t want to be vaxxed they can take their chances with the 99.9% survival rate for those under 50. Or the lower survival rate if they are over 50.

ericmay 5y ago
> It’s a free country if people don’t want to be vaxxed they can take their chances... Can you name a single person in America who has been held down against their will and administered a vaccine? Can you name multiple, coordinated instances of this happening? Can you point to a lawsuit? If not, you should stop repeating this. > In all honesty your attitude creates a lot of the problems you describe. I used to think that too but ultimately what you have is a group that cannot be reasoned with ala flat-earth proponents and no amount of information, debate, or reason would change their mind because the point isn't to understand, it's to create a lifestyle and culture. It's like a religion. The only thing that's left to be important here is to combat disinformation by bad actors and prevent further corrosion of civilization.
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- _3u10 5y ago
  I’m antivax and anti mask mandates and think vaccines are a good idea. I’ve even gotten two vaccines. However I won’t be getting another the reason I won’t is to stand in solidarity with the unvaxxed, note this is a political stance and not a scientific one. If you want me to get vaxxed to save whoever then the mandates must be lifted in their entirety save for actual quarantining of the infected which I think is reasonable. I can definitely be reasoned with and reason with the unvaccinated all the time. I opened my home in contravention of the mandates to throw parties and have unvaccinated people a place to socialize and people found my point of view to be in line with theirs. Namely that vaccines work but for them they would prefer the risk of getting Covid to getting vaccinated. It may surprise you but many people can be talked to and turn out to have points of view vastly different than what you read on the news / see on social media.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    I'm not disputing that you can do these things? You could also host a party where everyone is comfortable and enjoys talking about the tooth fairy, or about how birds aren't real (great marketing campaign actually). The dispute comes when you go from incorrect private opinion to reality. For example, you can think that vaccines are a good idea, but be anti-vax yourself, but then you should acknowledge and recognize that your views are wrong and irrational and make sure not to speak publicly about your views in case you confuse others who may be harmed by your belief.
- rhino369 5y ago
  >Can you name a single person in America who has been held down against their will and administered a vaccine? You aren't arguing in good faith. "No, we aren't banning gay marriage, we just implemented a federal regulation that forces employers to fire anyone who is gay married. It's their choice!" I'm not even against vaccine mandates (at least I did when the vaccines worked), but come on, admit what you are actually supporting here.

by _3u10 5y ago

ericmay 5y ago

> It’s a free country if people don’t want to be vaxxed they can take their chances... Can you name a single person in America who has been held down against their will and administered a vaccine? Can you name multiple, coordinated instances of this happening? Can you point to a lawsuit? If not, you should stop repeating this. > In all honesty your attitude creates a lot of the problems you describe. I used to think that too but ultimately what you have is a group that cannot be reasoned with ala flat-earth proponents and no amount of information, debate, or reason would change their mind because the point isn't to understand, it's to create a lifestyle and culture. It's like a religion. The only thing that's left to be important here is to combat disinformation by bad actors and prevent further corrosion of civilization.

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_3u10 5y ago
I’m antivax and anti mask mandates and think vaccines are a good idea. I’ve even gotten two vaccines. However I won’t be getting another the reason I won’t is to stand in solidarity with the unvaxxed, note this is a political stance and not a scientific one. If you want me to get vaxxed to save whoever then the mandates must be lifted in their entirety save for actual quarantining of the infected which I think is reasonable. I can definitely be reasoned with and reason with the unvaccinated all the time. I opened my home in contravention of the mandates to throw parties and have unvaccinated people a place to socialize and people found my point of view to be in line with theirs. Namely that vaccines work but for them they would prefer the risk of getting Covid to getting vaccinated. It may surprise you but many people can be talked to and turn out to have points of view vastly different than what you read on the news / see on social media.
- ericmay 5y ago
  I'm not disputing that you can do these things? You could also host a party where everyone is comfortable and enjoys talking about the tooth fairy, or about how birds aren't real (great marketing campaign actually). The dispute comes when you go from incorrect private opinion to reality. For example, you can think that vaccines are a good idea, but be anti-vax yourself, but then you should acknowledge and recognize that your views are wrong and irrational and make sure not to speak publicly about your views in case you confuse others who may be harmed by your belief.
rhino369 5y ago
>Can you name a single person in America who has been held down against their will and administered a vaccine? You aren't arguing in good faith. "No, we aren't banning gay marriage, we just implemented a federal regulation that forces employers to fire anyone who is gay married. It's their choice!" I'm not even against vaccine mandates (at least I did when the vaccines worked), but come on, admit what you are actually supporting here.