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I have argued at length with people on this board about this very subject, and the answer is the way that the problem is measured in either country. The HUD sur

I have argued at length with people on this board about this very subject, and the answer is the way that the problem is measured in either country. The HUD survey is a farce; it's designed to underestimate the problem. You could easily infer with data who is homeless and who is not, and that's what the Dutch do. Maybe you are Dutch and unaware of the discrepancy, not sure. Housing and the tax benefits are very hot button issues in the Netherlands and the youth hate how cynical the old are considering the subject, so I get that their system is not perfect. But being critical is how things change. I also find it hard to believe that you could accept a fact like this so easily. There is a very visible homeless problem in every large American city that you don't see in the Netherlands. And Amsterdam used to have a very similar problem that was only recently cleaned up in the mid-2000's.

ameister14 4y ago
>I also find it hard to believe that you could accept a fact like this so easily. What does this mean? I've looked at the OECD data generally, looked most closely into France but definitely into the Netherlands - the Netherlands actually has pretty good data over time. In both places though there is a significant secondary problem with undocumented homelessness. It's one of the major reasons the number appears so much lower than Germany or Luxembourg, for example. Even with that, youth homelessness doubled in the Netherlands between 2010 and 2020. Homelessness generally grew by over 25% from 2016-2018, according to OECD data. The Netherlands as of 2017 had about 70,000 people living in homeless accommodations according to federatie opvang and 30,500 either sleeping rough or in uncertain temporary shelters. According to the CBS it increased to 38,000 by 2019. Yeah, there's been a major decline in youth homelessness during Covid and that's great but it's not a solved issue. BTW for comparison, France - same time period: 100,000 in accommodations, roughly 18,000 rough sleepers/people in uncertain temp shelters. >the answer is the way that the problem is measured in either country. No, no it isn't. The Netherlands does not claim to have solved its homelessness issue, because it has not solved it. How you slice the data between there and the US has nothing to do with the domestic issue. >There is a very visible homeless problem in every large American city that you don't see in the Netherlands. And Amsterdam used to have a very similar problem that was only recently cleaned up in the mid-2000's. Not to be snarky but visibility doesn't actually mean anything.

ameister14 4y ago

>I also find it hard to believe that you could accept a fact like this so easily. What does this mean? I've looked at the OECD data generally, looked most closely into France but definitely into the Netherlands - the Netherlands actually has pretty good data over time. In both places though there is a significant secondary problem with undocumented homelessness. It's one of the major reasons the number appears so much lower than Germany or Luxembourg, for example. Even with that, youth homelessness doubled in the Netherlands between 2010 and 2020. Homelessness generally grew by over 25% from 2016-2018, according to OECD data. The Netherlands as of 2017 had about 70,000 people living in homeless accommodations according to federatie opvang and 30,500 either sleeping rough or in uncertain temporary shelters. According to the CBS it increased to 38,000 by 2019. Yeah, there's been a major decline in youth homelessness during Covid and that's great but it's not a solved issue. BTW for comparison, France - same time period: 100,000 in accommodations, roughly 18,000 rough sleepers/people in uncertain temp shelters. >the answer is the way that the problem is measured in either country. No, no it isn't. The Netherlands does not claim to have solved its homelessness issue, because it has not solved it. How you slice the data between there and the US has nothing to do with the domestic issue. >There is a very visible homeless problem in every large American city that you don't see in the Netherlands. And Amsterdam used to have a very similar problem that was only recently cleaned up in the mid-2000's. Not to be snarky but visibility doesn't actually mean anything.