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> Accusing me of bad faith added nothing to your argument and violated the site's guidelines. Maybe skip that next time? I called out bad faith argument then s

> Accusing me of bad faith added nothing to your argument and violated the site's guidelines. Maybe skip that next time? I called out bad faith argument then steel-manned your argument and responded in good faith. In this case I felt calling out a bad faith argument and FUD was concisely pointing out part of your argument, which I take to be part of being a critical reader. I assume good faith until evidence suggests otherwise, which it did in this case. > Large swaths of what you've listed above aren't commercial products, though, AFAIK. I point out that there are many open source projects that fuel businesses and then go on to explicitly list businesses that have as their core product a piece of open source software. You conveniently left out the line directly underneath it listing those businesses. I qualified each of the sentences correctly. > I don't believe I said it kills the opportunity. Just that it makes it much more difficult. This is the original sentence you wrote: """ SuperCollider's license effectively stops you from designing commercial products. Even the free version of Elementary allows that. """ --- You continue to argue in bad faith. Me pointing it out highlights that you are engaging in behavior that is undermining constructive debate.

NateEag 5y ago
> This is the original sentence you wrote: """ SuperCollider's license effectively stops you from designing commercial products. Even the free version of Elementary allows that. """ I did not write that. Here is my comment you responded to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30998118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30998118 You're thinking of Archit3ch's post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30995834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30995834 Maybe you should check identities before levelling accusations at people.
- abetusk 5y ago
  Yikes, my apologies. Some of what I said still stands but that's a big enough mistake on my part that I just need to apologize and back off.
  - NateEag 5y ago
    I forgive you, and appreciate the apology and recognition that you needed to step away and take a breather. I do think you make a decent case for open source being a viable way to make a profitable business. There are certainly businesses that achieve that, and I would love to see more of them. I wasn't trying to give a blow-by-blow rebuttal to everything you wrote, so it's certainly fair to say I was cherrypicking. I was just trying to explain some of why I think making a business's core product open source ticks the difficulty level up a notch. I believe AWS has made a practice of snagging OSS systems and making them effectively their own, thus undercutting the original developers' attempts at running a business. I may be mistaken about that, though. As I said, though, you make a number of good points (most of which I already agree with). There are a number of ways to make it work, and I may well have overstated the difficulty of building businesses with GPL software.

NateEag 5y ago

> This is the original sentence you wrote: """ SuperCollider's license effectively stops you from designing commercial products. Even the free version of Elementary allows that. """ I did not write that. Here is my comment you responded to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30998118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30998118 You're thinking of Archit3ch's post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30995834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30995834 Maybe you should check identities before levelling accusations at people.

abetusk 5y ago
Yikes, my apologies. Some of what I said still stands but that's a big enough mistake on my part that I just need to apologize and back off.
- NateEag 5y ago
  I forgive you, and appreciate the apology and recognition that you needed to step away and take a breather. I do think you make a decent case for open source being a viable way to make a profitable business. There are certainly businesses that achieve that, and I would love to see more of them. I wasn't trying to give a blow-by-blow rebuttal to everything you wrote, so it's certainly fair to say I was cherrypicking. I was just trying to explain some of why I think making a business's core product open source ticks the difficulty level up a notch. I believe AWS has made a practice of snagging OSS systems and making them effectively their own, thus undercutting the original developers' attempts at running a business. I may be mistaken about that, though. As I said, though, you make a number of good points (most of which I already agree with). There are a number of ways to make it work, and I may well have overstated the difficulty of building businesses with GPL software.