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Look. It is a very simple question. The township has a 1 promile property tax. I never pay it and refuse to leave my property. What happens next? You guys wrot

Look. It is a very simple question. The township has a 1 promile property tax. I never pay it and refuse to leave my property. What happens next? You guys wrote 5 walls of text just dodging the easiest question on Earth.

pmyteh 5y ago
I gave you an answer. You can suck it up, complain, or leave. And yes, those choices are unpleasant. If this was supposed to be a 'actually it all comes down to the threat of violence' gotcha then, sure - if you insist on your property rights, don't pay your taxes and then decide to fight the bailiffs you're going to have a bad time. Sorry.
- luciusdomitius 5y ago
  You did not answer - you listed my options and I was asking for the reaction of the collective. Because I know that functional illiteracy is becoming a serious problem, I'll do my best to help you: "How exactly are they going to limit my options to those, what are they going to do specifically?"
  - TuringNYC 5y ago
    Specifically, the township would put a property tax lien on your property. Eventually, the liens would pile up and your property would have so many liens you'd have no value left in your house. Then the township would take you to court to enforce their right to collect the judgements. At that point, you'd most likely be forced to move out. The township would sell your home to recover the tax liens and judgements. A sheriff would forcibly remove you from your home in such cases. Presumably, you could buy another home in the same township, and go thru all the above processes again. OR you could choose one of the original options given by a parent post: 1. Go to town hall and influence decisions 2. Exit township, find one that you agree with 3. Bear with it and stay in the township.
    - anonfornoreason 5y ago
      So, violence?
    - luciusdomitius 5y ago
      " A sheriff would forcibly remove you from your home in such cases." So, this is your "non-violent" collectivism? Thank you very much. This is all I needed to hear.
don_esteban 5y ago
You never leave your property and live a happy life in solitude there until you die of boredom or starvation. Everybody is happy to not have to interact with you anymore. Now stop bringing up absurd examples. Just living in a state exposes you to state violence, e.g. for not obeying the (tax) law. If you wanted a realistic example of non-violent society, there are only few, mostly small remote tribes in deep jungle. Not surprisingly, those are very collectivist societies. The standard response to repeated badly non-conforming behavior in such societies is eviction from the community. Yes, that can be done non-violently.
- zekrioca 5y ago
  I think the person meant about how the few options available actually come to existence: how are they come to be the ones that would allow the person to pick one over the other? Is it common sense, is it because it was decided this way.. How?
  - TuringNYC 5y ago
    I think there are a lot of options. Across US states, counties, and townships, for example, there is a full spectrum of political positions literally w/r/t how money is collected (or not) and spent (or not)
- vt85 4y ago
emkemp 5y ago
Well, for starters, you may lose important local services. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346
- luciusdomitius 5y ago
  This is perfectly alright and waaaaaay more libertarian than collectivist.
sudosysgen 5y ago
You will starve as people refuse to provide you food, or allow you to use collective infrastructure, unless you leave. Your property will then become collective property.
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pmyteh 5y ago

I gave you an answer. You can suck it up, complain, or leave. And yes, those choices are unpleasant. If this was supposed to be a 'actually it all comes down to the threat of violence' gotcha then, sure - if you insist on your property rights, don't pay your taxes and then decide to fight the bailiffs you're going to have a bad time. Sorry.

luciusdomitius 5y ago
You did not answer - you listed my options and I was asking for the reaction of the collective. Because I know that functional illiteracy is becoming a serious problem, I'll do my best to help you: "How exactly are they going to limit my options to those, what are they going to do specifically?"
- TuringNYC 5y ago
  Specifically, the township would put a property tax lien on your property. Eventually, the liens would pile up and your property would have so many liens you'd have no value left in your house. Then the township would take you to court to enforce their right to collect the judgements. At that point, you'd most likely be forced to move out. The township would sell your home to recover the tax liens and judgements. A sheriff would forcibly remove you from your home in such cases. Presumably, you could buy another home in the same township, and go thru all the above processes again. OR you could choose one of the original options given by a parent post: 1. Go to town hall and influence decisions 2. Exit township, find one that you agree with 3. Bear with it and stay in the township.
  - anonfornoreason 5y ago
    So, violence?
  - luciusdomitius 5y ago
    " A sheriff would forcibly remove you from your home in such cases." So, this is your "non-violent" collectivism? Thank you very much. This is all I needed to hear.

don_esteban 5y ago

You never leave your property and live a happy life in solitude there until you die of boredom or starvation. Everybody is happy to not have to interact with you anymore. Now stop bringing up absurd examples. Just living in a state exposes you to state violence, e.g. for not obeying the (tax) law. If you wanted a realistic example of non-violent society, there are only few, mostly small remote tribes in deep jungle. Not surprisingly, those are very collectivist societies. The standard response to repeated badly non-conforming behavior in such societies is eviction from the community. Yes, that can be done non-violently.

zekrioca 5y ago
I think the person meant about how the few options available actually come to existence: how are they come to be the ones that would allow the person to pick one over the other? Is it common sense, is it because it was decided this way.. How?
- TuringNYC 5y ago
  I think there are a lot of options. Across US states, counties, and townships, for example, there is a full spectrum of political positions literally w/r/t how money is collected (or not) and spent (or not)
vt85 4y ago

emkemp 5y ago

Well, for starters, you may lose important local services. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39516346

luciusdomitius 5y ago
This is perfectly alright and waaaaaay more libertarian than collectivist.

sudosysgen 5y ago

You will starve as people refuse to provide you food, or allow you to use collective infrastructure, unless you leave. Your property will then become collective property.

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