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Better 16 billion... 18 billion... 22 billion... 34 billion... etc. We all know, how that goes, especially the city of Berlin, which built a cool new airport...

by zmix 4y ago

rsynnott 4y ago
The Berlin airport, in fairness, is a bit of an edge-case; cost/time overruns on that scale aren't normal.
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 4y ago
  I beg to differ. Stuttgart 21 underground train station [1]: Estimated cost 2009: €4.5 billion. Estimated cost 2022: Over €9 billion. Estimated start of operation: Six years later than anticipated (2025, or 15 years after construction started). Another, recent example: German Cyber Threat Reporting Center that is supposed to report cyber threats to NATO is still not operational after five years and €60 million. Admittedly, not on a billion dollar scale, but the example shows how even a relatively simple task like creating reports is plagued by overruns. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 [2] https://www.bundesrechnungshof.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/produkte/bemerkungen-jahresberichte/jahresberichte/2021-ergaenzungsband/einzelplanbezogene-pruefungsergebnisse/bundesministerium-der-verteidigung/2021-49/@@download/langfassung_pdf https://www.bundesrechnungshof.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/pro...
  - smcl 4y ago
    These are three German projects, two of which are unrelated to rail, tunnelling or transport in general. And they're meant to be an example of why a tunnel in Austria and Italy would overrun by a factor of up to 3x?
    - carschno 4y ago
      The first one, "Stuttgart 21" is very much related to rail. From the referenced Wikipedia article: > Stuttgart 21 is a railway and urban development project in Stuttgart, Germany. It is a part of the Stuttgart–Augsburg new and upgraded railway and the Main Line for Europe (Paris—Vienna) Regarding tunneling: > The current 17-track station is to be replaced by an underground 8-track through station.
KarlKemp 4y ago
This project started in 2006 and from what I can find, cost estimates have not changed much. The initial range was 6 to 12 billion Euros at 2006 prices. Converted to $ and adjusted for inflation, $11B is right in the middle of that range.

Better 16 billion... 18 billion... 22 billion... 34 billion... etc. We all know, how that goes, especially the city of Berlin, which built a cool new airport...

by zmix 4y ago

Better 16 billion... 18 billion... 22 billion... 34 billion... etc. We all know, how that goes, especially the city of Berlin, which built a cool new airport...

rsynnott 4y ago

The Berlin airport, in fairness, is a bit of an edge-case; cost/time overruns on that scale aren't normal.

tqkxzugoaupvwqr 4y ago
I beg to differ. Stuttgart 21 underground train station [1]: Estimated cost 2009: €4.5 billion. Estimated cost 2022: Over €9 billion. Estimated start of operation: Six years later than anticipated (2025, or 15 years after construction started). Another, recent example: German Cyber Threat Reporting Center that is supposed to report cyber threats to NATO is still not operational after five years and €60 million. Admittedly, not on a billion dollar scale, but the example shows how even a relatively simple task like creating reports is plagued by overruns. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 [2] https://www.bundesrechnungshof.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/produkte/bemerkungen-jahresberichte/jahresberichte/2021-ergaenzungsband/einzelplanbezogene-pruefungsergebnisse/bundesministerium-der-verteidigung/2021-49/@@download/langfassung_pdf https://www.bundesrechnungshof.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/pro...
- smcl 4y ago
  These are three German projects, two of which are unrelated to rail, tunnelling or transport in general. And they're meant to be an example of why a tunnel in Austria and Italy would overrun by a factor of up to 3x?
  - carschno 4y ago
    The first one, "Stuttgart 21" is very much related to rail. From the referenced Wikipedia article: > Stuttgart 21 is a railway and urban development project in Stuttgart, Germany. It is a part of the Stuttgart–Augsburg new and upgraded railway and the Main Line for Europe (Paris—Vienna) Regarding tunneling: > The current 17-track station is to be replaced by an underground 8-track through station.

KarlKemp 4y ago

This project started in 2006 and from what I can find, cost estimates have not changed much. The initial range was 6 to 12 billion Euros at 2006 prices. Converted to $ and adjusted for inflation, $11B is right in the middle of that range.