Messes are obviously bad but I dont think these patterns are the answer. They typically balloon the amount of code in exchange for nothing more than a bit of co

Messes are obviously bad but I dont think these patterns are the answer. They typically balloon the amount of code in exchange for nothing more than a bit of consistency and the ability to write some fairly hollow unit tests. Hexagonal works where you have a big solid core of complex stateless business logic but thr fact that it's very common to NOT have this and hexagonal presents itself almost as a panacaea makes me hate it a little bit.