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That's the thing GP is missing in his Linux criticism. Whatever you don't like you can just change. You can change to a different DE, change WM/themes/icons/do

That's the thing GP is missing in his Linux criticism. Whatever you don't like you can just change. You can change to a different DE, change WM/themes/icons/dotfiles whatever you want, you can change. You are not constrained by a perscribed UX philosophy. To me personally that is very liberating.

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pschastain 4y ago
I tried KDE and had different but equally frustrating issues. People say you can "just fix it yourself" with Linux but that's not always feasible or worth a person's time.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  But whatever frustations you have, irrespective of what you feel is the time commitment, you can actually fix in Linux. With Windows/Mac you are stuck with those frustrations as 'prescribed' by however did the UX.
  - pschastain 4y ago
    We're talking "out of the box" here, and while I'm not a fan of a lot of the UI changes in macOS it still "just works". Linux doesn't i.e. the wifi on my laptop dies after sleep & the only "fix" is a reboot. I've tried everything the internet can suggest, to no avail. You say you can "actually fix it in Linux", but this isn't true; sometimes the "fix" requires a level of technical knowledge that ordinary users don't have.
    - 2143 4y ago
      I agree that Mac is much better out of the box. And nearly everything "just works". I like Macs, though my personal machine is currently the latest Fedora Beta running on a ThinkPad. It's too early to tell if there are issues, but first impressions are looking good. Over the years I have discovered that — especially with laptops — some machines work better than others with Linux. For instance, some Dell machines and nearly all ThinkPads work pretty well with Linux without any of the usual issues (sleep/suspend/bluetooth/wifi problems). However, that's not the case with all manufacturers. For an anecdotal example, I had to resort to witchcraft to get Debian to run on my non-technical friend's ASUS laptop. > sometimes the "fix" requires a level of technical knowledge that ordinary users don't have True statement.

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pschastain 4y ago

I tried KDE and had different but equally frustrating issues. People say you can "just fix it yourself" with Linux but that's not always feasible or worth a person's time.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
But whatever frustations you have, irrespective of what you feel is the time commitment, you can actually fix in Linux. With Windows/Mac you are stuck with those frustrations as 'prescribed' by however did the UX.
- pschastain 4y ago
  We're talking "out of the box" here, and while I'm not a fan of a lot of the UI changes in macOS it still "just works". Linux doesn't i.e. the wifi on my laptop dies after sleep & the only "fix" is a reboot. I've tried everything the internet can suggest, to no avail. You say you can "actually fix it in Linux", but this isn't true; sometimes the "fix" requires a level of technical knowledge that ordinary users don't have.
  - 2143 4y ago
    I agree that Mac is much better out of the box. And nearly everything "just works". I like Macs, though my personal machine is currently the latest Fedora Beta running on a ThinkPad. It's too early to tell if there are issues, but first impressions are looking good. Over the years I have discovered that — especially with laptops — some machines work better than others with Linux. For instance, some Dell machines and nearly all ThinkPads work pretty well with Linux without any of the usual issues (sleep/suspend/bluetooth/wifi problems). However, that's not the case with all manufacturers. For an anecdotal example, I had to resort to witchcraft to get Debian to run on my non-technical friend's ASUS laptop. > sometimes the "fix" requires a level of technical knowledge that ordinary users don't have True statement.