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Expecting good will of Google at this point seems sort of silly given repeating pattern of betrayal of trust.

antonvs 5y ago
Google Cloud is very different from Google's consumer product and advertising side. It has revenues of $13 billion which all comes directly from customers paying them money, not indirectly via advertising etc. Larger companies sign agreements with Google that cover what it does and doesn't promise, and enterprise companies are their highest priority target market. Google Cloud has its own CEO, Thomas Kurian, previously president of product development at Oracle, who was at Oracle for over 20 years. The pattern you're referring to really doesn't apply to this business. If anything it's the opposite: Kurian's goal is to make Gcloud more like Oracle, and part of that involves making sure enterprise customers don't need to be skittish about the kinds of concerns you seem to be thinking of.
- woadwarrior01 5y ago
  It's still losing money[1], which means that it's still cross subsidized by the ads business. [1]: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/02/with-a-22b-run-rate-does-it-matter-if-google-cloud-still-loses-money/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/02/with-a-22b-run-rate-does-i...
  - antonvs 5y ago
    Yes, but that's because they're investing heavily to grow the business, as that article explains, which is hugely strategic for Google. The fact that the current run rate is $22bn compared to the $13bn revenue in 2020 suggests that they're succeeding - that's some pretty significant growth. It's a completely different business model from the consumer/ad side, and confusing the two is a mistake.
    - woadwarrior01 5y ago
      How do you square it with the fact that AWS is Amazon's most profitable division and is still arguably is innovating at a faster pace? The counterfactual question one should be asking here is: Would gCloud exist if it were an independent company and not a bet? Full disclosure: Xoogler here.
      - antonvs 5y ago
        They're at different points in their lifecycle and have very different revenues and budgets. Amazon itself was famously unprofitable for many years, for exactly the same reason Gcloud is now: to grow the business as fast as possible. Independent companies like that are funded by investors for years, all the time. The cloud market is expected to hit close to a trillion dollars by 2026. Gcloud doesn't have to take away a single existing AWS customer to win big. > Xoogler So what's your take? You think Google might just decide to shut down a fast-growing business with $13-20bn revenues and huge upside potential as if it were a free product like Reader? Or you think they somehow aren't able to make it profitable so will just give up? Neither of those are really how these things work.
        woadwarrior01 5y ago
        > So what's your take? All I'm saying is that this business isn't a monopoly like search or a near duopoly like ads. The competition is stiff. There are two players who are well ahead of them and the ones behind aren't sitting still. I don't expect any miracles with run of the mill management consulting leadership at the helm.

Google Cloud is very different from Google's consumer product and advertising side. It has revenues of $13 billion which all comes directly from customers paying them money, not indirectly via advertising etc. Larger companies sign agreements with Google that cover what it does and doesn't promise, and enterprise companies are their highest priority target market. Google Cloud has its own CEO, Thomas Kurian, previously president of product development at Oracle, who was at Oracle for over 20 years. The pattern you're referring to really doesn't apply to this business. If anything it's the opposite: Kurian's goal is to make Gcloud more like Oracle, and part of that involves making sure enterprise customers don't need to be skittish about the kinds of concerns you seem to be thinking of.

woadwarrior01 5y ago
It's still losing money[1], which means that it's still cross subsidized by the ads business. [1]: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/02/with-a-22b-run-rate-does-it-matter-if-google-cloud-still-loses-money/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/02/with-a-22b-run-rate-does-i...
- antonvs 5y ago
  Yes, but that's because they're investing heavily to grow the business, as that article explains, which is hugely strategic for Google. The fact that the current run rate is $22bn compared to the $13bn revenue in 2020 suggests that they're succeeding - that's some pretty significant growth. It's a completely different business model from the consumer/ad side, and confusing the two is a mistake.
  - woadwarrior01 5y ago
    How do you square it with the fact that AWS is Amazon's most profitable division and is still arguably is innovating at a faster pace? The counterfactual question one should be asking here is: Would gCloud exist if it were an independent company and not a bet? Full disclosure: Xoogler here.
    - antonvs 5y ago
      They're at different points in their lifecycle and have very different revenues and budgets. Amazon itself was famously unprofitable for many years, for exactly the same reason Gcloud is now: to grow the business as fast as possible. Independent companies like that are funded by investors for years, all the time. The cloud market is expected to hit close to a trillion dollars by 2026. Gcloud doesn't have to take away a single existing AWS customer to win big. > Xoogler So what's your take? You think Google might just decide to shut down a fast-growing business with $13-20bn revenues and huge upside potential as if it were a free product like Reader? Or you think they somehow aren't able to make it profitable so will just give up? Neither of those are really how these things work.
      - woadwarrior01 5y ago
        > So what's your take? All I'm saying is that this business isn't a monopoly like search or a near duopoly like ads. The competition is stiff. There are two players who are well ahead of them and the ones behind aren't sitting still. I don't expect any miracles with run of the mill management consulting leadership at the helm.