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The big difference here is that their ACME server is part of Google Cloud. Google Cloud is a paid service and in the 5 years of using it, I cannot remember any

The big difference here is that their ACME server is part of Google Cloud. Google Cloud is a paid service and in the 5 years of using it, I cannot remember any gcloud service being deprecated, without a similar alternative being introduced. (e.g cloud image registry being replaced with artifact registry)

markdown 5y ago
Not true at all. They gutted GAE Standard Environment and turned it into a shell of its former self.
- waych 5y ago
  To be fair, that was well longer than 5 years ago.
  - smaudet 5y ago
    So (had to look it up) Reader was infamously the shuttered project that first caused a lot of backlash...that went for 8 years. They closed it due to "declining usage" i.e. they could not monetize well. Play Music died after 9 years, and that even featured paid souscriptions...the logic of "paid for and around" doesnt seem to be a solid argument, esp for a company making money primarily off of data - as of 2021 their cloud business is only 5% of their revenue, ~74% of their revenue is ad based the rest is devices (nest, phones), and Youtube. I think its pretty reasonable to be concerned about the longevity of this product - maybe we will be wrong, but.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      Both examples were not google cloud products. Not all paid products fit the same category as B2B enterprise yadda yadda
      - smaudet 5y ago
        Not really the point - they have 5% market share with those B2B products, and a history of axing stuff that they don't think makes enough money.
        ithkuil 4y ago
        The history of axing stuff is not uncorrelated with the business unit and its business model. They know that B2B costumers value the stability and they are going to price that in. It's not like they are not reading what people are complaining about.
- rossjudson 5y ago
  Gutted how? Second generation seems to have a lot more capabilities than first generation. Which dimension are you referring to?
jimmygrapes 5y ago
five whole years, gosh.

markdown 5y ago

Not true at all. They gutted GAE Standard Environment and turned it into a shell of its former self.

waych 5y ago
To be fair, that was well longer than 5 years ago.
- smaudet 5y ago
  So (had to look it up) Reader was infamously the shuttered project that first caused a lot of backlash...that went for 8 years. They closed it due to "declining usage" i.e. they could not monetize well. Play Music died after 9 years, and that even featured paid souscriptions...the logic of "paid for and around" doesnt seem to be a solid argument, esp for a company making money primarily off of data - as of 2021 their cloud business is only 5% of their revenue, ~74% of their revenue is ad based the rest is devices (nest, phones), and Youtube. I think its pretty reasonable to be concerned about the longevity of this product - maybe we will be wrong, but.
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    Both examples were not google cloud products. Not all paid products fit the same category as B2B enterprise yadda yadda
    - smaudet 5y ago
      Not really the point - they have 5% market share with those B2B products, and a history of axing stuff that they don't think makes enough money.
      - ithkuil 4y ago
        The history of axing stuff is not uncorrelated with the business unit and its business model. They know that B2B costumers value the stability and they are going to price that in. It's not like they are not reading what people are complaining about.
rossjudson 5y ago
Gutted how? Second generation seems to have a lot more capabilities than first generation. Which dimension are you referring to?

jimmygrapes 5y ago

five whole years, gosh.