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That Trump's pleas for his supporters to take the vaccine fell on deaf ears appears to indicate things aren't quite that clear cut. Perhaps some groups are more

That Trump's pleas for his supporters to take the vaccine fell on deaf ears appears to indicate things aren't quite that clear cut. Perhaps some groups are more inclined to force compliance with all of their views than other groups.

titzer 5y ago
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- wyldfire 5y ago
  I think it's just the idea of endorsing prophylactic medicine. Since anyone could be a potential victim of a virus, everyone should consider vaccination. And while it's not compulsory, the suggestion that it be widely advocated sets the conspiracy folks on edge. They seem to pin their identity on { I'm not like the others + mistrust of authority }. So it's really easy to accept a message that the too-trusting have all fallen into a trap that they're too smart for. If it's not tracking, it's greed, or some other motive driving evildoers to vaccinate the world. Hydroxychloroquine was attractive because it was available before the vaccine and you would only need to administer it to the infected. Of course, a few did try to take it prophylactically and at least one OD'd. Trump is so purely and consistently self serving. He didn't promote the vaccine enough because he feared his successor would get the credit and he (rightly) feared his base would hold it against him. And he only promoted it when he realized that his supporters were dropping like flies and millions of the kids in the next generation will turn eighteen before the next presidential election. The vaccines are a triumph of humanity that should be celebrated. They were produced, tested and distributed very rapidly (among the wealthiest countries). We could stand to improve significantly at how well it was distributed to poorer nations. But IMO a positive story overall. And antivaxxers might have had reason to be cautious at first, but now it's so widely distributed that it doesn't make much sense to fear it anymore. the long term consequences of the infection are likely much much worse than the long term consequences of vaccination.
  - positus 5y ago
    What are your primary sources for Trump's motivations?
    - nobody9999 5y ago
      Not GP (although I agree with them), but Trump's words and actions over the past 40 years or so make it quite clear that Donald Trump cares about three things: 1. Donald Trump 2. Donald J. Trump 3. Donald John Trump and everything else is just background noise, if that.
    - lovich 5y ago
      His public actions his entire life.
redisman 5y ago
I think this just shows that politics is largely not a generative project. Trump tapped into a current of grievance and honed his message on that and almost never went against whatever got the biggest cheers at his rallies. He wasn’t the mastermind who came up with these ideas. They were already there.

titzer 5y ago

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wyldfire 5y ago
I think it's just the idea of endorsing prophylactic medicine. Since anyone could be a potential victim of a virus, everyone should consider vaccination. And while it's not compulsory, the suggestion that it be widely advocated sets the conspiracy folks on edge. They seem to pin their identity on { I'm not like the others + mistrust of authority }. So it's really easy to accept a message that the too-trusting have all fallen into a trap that they're too smart for. If it's not tracking, it's greed, or some other motive driving evildoers to vaccinate the world. Hydroxychloroquine was attractive because it was available before the vaccine and you would only need to administer it to the infected. Of course, a few did try to take it prophylactically and at least one OD'd. Trump is so purely and consistently self serving. He didn't promote the vaccine enough because he feared his successor would get the credit and he (rightly) feared his base would hold it against him. And he only promoted it when he realized that his supporters were dropping like flies and millions of the kids in the next generation will turn eighteen before the next presidential election. The vaccines are a triumph of humanity that should be celebrated. They were produced, tested and distributed very rapidly (among the wealthiest countries). We could stand to improve significantly at how well it was distributed to poorer nations. But IMO a positive story overall. And antivaxxers might have had reason to be cautious at first, but now it's so widely distributed that it doesn't make much sense to fear it anymore. the long term consequences of the infection are likely much much worse than the long term consequences of vaccination.
- positus 5y ago
  What are your primary sources for Trump's motivations?
  - nobody9999 5y ago
    Not GP (although I agree with them), but Trump's words and actions over the past 40 years or so make it quite clear that Donald Trump cares about three things: 1. Donald Trump 2. Donald J. Trump 3. Donald John Trump and everything else is just background noise, if that.
  - lovich 5y ago
    His public actions his entire life.

redisman 5y ago

I think this just shows that politics is largely not a generative project. Trump tapped into a current of grievance and honed his message on that and almost never went against whatever got the biggest cheers at his rallies. He wasn’t the mastermind who came up with these ideas. They were already there.