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> Canada literally had to suspend the charter and due process by enacting the emergency measures act, which is unprecedented amongst western countries This is

> Canada literally had to suspend the charter and due process by enacting the emergency measures act, which is unprecedented amongst western countries This is not totally true. [1] https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/proclamation-suspension-habeas-corpus-1862 https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-pr... And of course there are others. The US has quiet a bit of history around suspending rights. This is the issue I have with these kinds of statements of, the sky is falling, this hasn't happened before. A co-worker did the same with masks. Masks mandate are the most egregious thing the US government has ever done. But apparently putting people born and raised in the US with Japanese ancestry in camps was less egregious than masks? States banned the use of the German language? The house unamerican activities committee ruined the lives of people by dragging them infront of congress for character assassination?

mardifoufs 5y ago
> > Canada literally had to suspend the charter and due process by enacting the emergency measures act, which is unprecedented amongst western countries > This is not totally true. > [1] https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-pr https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-pr... > And of course there are others. The US has quiet a bit of history around suspending rights. > This is the issue I have with these kinds of statements of, the sky is falling, this hasn't happened before. A co-worker did the same with masks. Masks mandate are the most egregious thing the US government has ever done. But apparently putting people born and raised in the US with Japanese ancestry in camps was less egregious than masks? States banned the use of the German language? The house unamerican activities committee ruined the lives of people by dragging them infront of congress for character assassination? If you had to go back to 1862 you are proving my point. Canada didn't even exist then. I guess I should have specified "never happened post ww2". I totally agree with your second point, I'm not saying that the measures were worse. The suspension of rights is though; the issue isn't really the mask/vaccine mandate it was the reaction to the protests against them.
- tcmart14 5y ago
  You generalized to "western countries." I don't think Canada is the only "western country." That is the main issue. It could be this was a first for Canada (not Canadian so I am not aware of a lot of it's history), but definitely not for western countries in general.

mardifoufs 5y ago

> > Canada literally had to suspend the charter and due process by enacting the emergency measures act, which is unprecedented amongst western countries > This is not totally true. > [1] https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-pr https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-pr... > And of course there are others. The US has quiet a bit of history around suspending rights. > This is the issue I have with these kinds of statements of, the sky is falling, this hasn't happened before. A co-worker did the same with masks. Masks mandate are the most egregious thing the US government has ever done. But apparently putting people born and raised in the US with Japanese ancestry in camps was less egregious than masks? States banned the use of the German language? The house unamerican activities committee ruined the lives of people by dragging them infront of congress for character assassination? If you had to go back to 1862 you are proving my point. Canada didn't even exist then. I guess I should have specified "never happened post ww2". I totally agree with your second point, I'm not saying that the measures were worse. The suspension of rights is though; the issue isn't really the mask/vaccine mandate it was the reaction to the protests against them.

tcmart14 5y ago
You generalized to "western countries." I don't think Canada is the only "western country." That is the main issue. It could be this was a first for Canada (not Canadian so I am not aware of a lot of it's history), but definitely not for western countries in general.