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>nonsense about Mac fans being blinded by their love of the brand is the edgelord meme that will not die. Thank you for the completely unemotional comment that

by lbrito 5y ago

>nonsense about Mac fans being blinded by their love of the brand is the edgelord meme that will not die. Thank you for the completely unemotional comment that totally does not add to the notion I was alluding to that some fans are a bit sensitive about criticism. Joking aside, our points are basically the same. I totally agree that nothing we create is intuitive "by definition"; that's my whole point. I would never claim that Linux or anything else is intuitive "by definition", and yet I see a lot of Mac fans claiming that. It might be perception bias, but I think not. My first contact with a Mac was some 10 years ago. I struggled to turn it on -- contrary to _all other similar devices_, on the Mac the power button was very faintly beveled, and tucked in an invisible corner on the back of the screen (it was a desktop). I get that people might like this, totally fine. I just don't accept that this is intuitive design.

ricardobeat 5y ago
See, Mac users rarely turn the device off. It can stay on for months without issue. Laptops can sleep for weeks before they run out of power. The power button is more like a reset switch, and doesn't need to be front and center. A lot of these first impressions are just that, first impressions, and can be quite different from feedback coming from daily users.
- taylodl 5y ago
  I read this comment and realized I don’t even remember the last time I powered down my Mac! You’re right that it’s not something I do very often. Is that not the case with Windows and Linux nowadays? What’s the point in powering down?
  - srer 5y ago
    Software updates is one reason For simpler userspace updates a restart of the relevant processes is easy enough, but it can be a bit more difficult when it comes to kernel updates. (Updating a running kernel has been a thing in Linux for a number of years, but my systems don't do it.)
    - taylodl 5y ago
      Software updates require a restart, but that's not what I'm thinking of when I consider a power down. I'm thinking of the scenario where you take explicit action to power down your machine and leave it powered down. I power down my machines before going on vacation, for example. Even when you power down or restart a Mac it remembers all the applications you had running and all the application windows and it re-opens everything so you come back to everything just the way you left it.

by lbrito 5y ago

ricardobeat 5y ago

See, Mac users rarely turn the device off. It can stay on for months without issue. Laptops can sleep for weeks before they run out of power. The power button is more like a reset switch, and doesn't need to be front and center. A lot of these first impressions are just that, first impressions, and can be quite different from feedback coming from daily users.

taylodl 5y ago
I read this comment and realized I don’t even remember the last time I powered down my Mac! You’re right that it’s not something I do very often. Is that not the case with Windows and Linux nowadays? What’s the point in powering down?
- srer 5y ago
  Software updates is one reason For simpler userspace updates a restart of the relevant processes is easy enough, but it can be a bit more difficult when it comes to kernel updates. (Updating a running kernel has been a thing in Linux for a number of years, but my systems don't do it.)
  - taylodl 5y ago
    Software updates require a restart, but that's not what I'm thinking of when I consider a power down. I'm thinking of the scenario where you take explicit action to power down your machine and leave it powered down. I power down my machines before going on vacation, for example. Even when you power down or restart a Mac it remembers all the applications you had running and all the application windows and it re-opens everything so you come back to everything just the way you left it.