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I mean, maybe because those people face discrimination and bigotry basically everywhere they go and having a program to specifically support them will help brin

I mean, maybe because those people face discrimination and bigotry basically everywhere they go and having a program to specifically support them will help bring in more new staff, particularly during a time when staffing is difficult? It says it at the beginning of the sentence: "To bring new pilots into our ranks" Further, it's not "political" to make people feel welcome at your organization. It's just being a good person.

daenz 5y ago
Why did they leave out a program for trans pilots? Why aren't they being made to feel welcome too?
- renewiltord 5y ago
  What a waste of time to talk like this
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- mrguyorama 5y ago
  Just because you don't EXPLICITLY include everyone, doesn't mean you aren't inclusive. It's the same as "Black lives matter" doesn't mean "ONLY black lives matter"
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  - daenz 5y ago
    If they really meant it, they would have had a bipoc program all along, and not just founded one when they were really in trouble with staffing. You seem to be defending them, but you don't seem to see how clearly it comes across as pandering to many other people.
twofornone 5y ago
kepler1 5y ago
I'm curious to know how much your logic and position depends on you agreeing with the opinions being advocated for. You would, I suppose, equally defend a company in "especially welcoming applications from candidates who believe in Jesus Christ and a right to life"? That's also just "being a good person" for people who face a certain kind of discrimination, yes?
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Is there actually a history of hiring discrimination against those folks? At least in the US I would think the discrimination would have been against atheists.
  - kepler1 5y ago
    In Silicon Valley, I bet you will find people who feel they've been discriminated against or feel they have to hide such loyalties/opinions/affinities in tech, just as much as any other group. And by the way, what is the criterion, that someone feels that they've been discriminated against, or that you as an independent judge (or some authority) declare that they have? As a group, or individually?

daenz 5y ago

Why did they leave out a program for trans pilots? Why aren't they being made to feel welcome too?

renewiltord 5y ago
What a waste of time to talk like this
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mrguyorama 5y ago
Just because you don't EXPLICITLY include everyone, doesn't mean you aren't inclusive. It's the same as "Black lives matter" doesn't mean "ONLY black lives matter"
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- daenz 5y ago
  If they really meant it, they would have had a bipoc program all along, and not just founded one when they were really in trouble with staffing. You seem to be defending them, but you don't seem to see how clearly it comes across as pandering to many other people.

twofornone 5y ago

kepler1 5y ago

I'm curious to know how much your logic and position depends on you agreeing with the opinions being advocated for. You would, I suppose, equally defend a company in "especially welcoming applications from candidates who believe in Jesus Christ and a right to life"? That's also just "being a good person" for people who face a certain kind of discrimination, yes?

amanaplanacanal 5y ago
Is there actually a history of hiring discrimination against those folks? At least in the US I would think the discrimination would have been against atheists.
- kepler1 5y ago
  In Silicon Valley, I bet you will find people who feel they've been discriminated against or feel they have to hide such loyalties/opinions/affinities in tech, just as much as any other group. And by the way, what is the criterion, that someone feels that they've been discriminated against, or that you as an independent judge (or some authority) declare that they have? As a group, or individually?