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Overhead wires are not a solution on a large scale, and also an eyesore.

by sva_ 5y ago

mcv 5y ago
Overhead wires are most definitely a solution on a large scale, and are used as such all over the world. And especially in Europe.
- sva_ 5y ago
  0% chance that Germans would tolerate these in their landscapes. Also, how do you think this would work with a train going 400kmh+?
  - mcv 5y ago
    They already do, and yes. How about looking at the facts first?
  - peristalique 5y ago
    How do you come to this conclusion? All high speed lines in Germany (ICE) are powered by overhead wires.
    - sva_ 5y ago
      Okay I was wrong. I thought it meant something different. > All high speed lines in Germany (ICE) I suppose almost all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_TD https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_TD
      - mcv 5y ago
        Interesting. That one diesel HST wasn't very successful. It's been taken out of service again and the line is now operated by a slower train again. This seems to suggest that electric trains are more suitable for high-speed lines, although it's not clear why exactly this diesel train didn't perform the way it should.
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        It was a 'tilting' train(leaning into the curve). Some part of that mechanism was constructed in wrong ways (too thin), which led to partial cracks, which led to partial derailing, trailing sparks. Which led to investigations of all of them, showing more cracks in development. So they have been "grounded" for a while, conventional trains taking over. Then it was deemed safe to operate them in non-tilting, conventional modes, which led to delays. So Deutsche Bahn wanted their money back, and got it. But no tilting diesel-trains.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    Better inform the Germans. A little over half of the German rail network is electrified.
  - WHA8m 5y ago
    Oh dude, I'm all ears. What else do you think we (germans) think? I'm genuinely interested.
    - sva_ 5y ago
      I am German. Most of us hate cables that aren't underground (hence the bad internet connectivity, because it's expensive to upgrade the network underground). Based on that I extrapolated. I presumed the same to be the case for these overhead cables, as I don't usually see them where I live. https://www.bahnausbau-nordostbayern.de/files/img/Bahnstrom/Bahnstromnetz_Deutschland.jpg https://www.bahnausbau-nordostbayern.de/files/img/Bahnstrom/... It seems to be a lot more concentrated on the worse side of the rhine river. ;)
      - WHA8m 5y ago
        I'm surprised I must say. I have never ever heard of anyone talking about 'Oberleitungen' being something that we should get rid of. It wouldn't have come to my mind to question them, so that's why I was so baffled (and maybe a bit harsh in my expression).

Overhead wires are not a solution on a large scale, and also an eyesore.

by sva_ 5y ago

Overhead wires are not a solution on a large scale, and also an eyesore.

mcv 5y ago

Overhead wires are most definitely a solution on a large scale, and are used as such all over the world. And especially in Europe.

sva_ 5y ago
0% chance that Germans would tolerate these in their landscapes. Also, how do you think this would work with a train going 400kmh+?
- mcv 5y ago
  They already do, and yes. How about looking at the facts first?
- peristalique 5y ago
  How do you come to this conclusion? All high speed lines in Germany (ICE) are powered by overhead wires.
  - sva_ 5y ago
    Okay I was wrong. I thought it meant something different. > All high speed lines in Germany (ICE) I suppose almost all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_TD https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_TD
    - mcv 5y ago
      Interesting. That one diesel HST wasn't very successful. It's been taken out of service again and the line is now operated by a slower train again. This seems to suggest that electric trains are more suitable for high-speed lines, although it's not clear why exactly this diesel train didn't perform the way it should.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        It was a 'tilting' train(leaning into the curve). Some part of that mechanism was constructed in wrong ways (too thin), which led to partial cracks, which led to partial derailing, trailing sparks. Which led to investigations of all of them, showing more cracks in development. So they have been "grounded" for a while, conventional trains taking over. Then it was deemed safe to operate them in non-tilting, conventional modes, which led to delays. So Deutsche Bahn wanted their money back, and got it. But no tilting diesel-trains.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  Better inform the Germans. A little over half of the German rail network is electrified.
- WHA8m 5y ago
  Oh dude, I'm all ears. What else do you think we (germans) think? I'm genuinely interested.
  - sva_ 5y ago
    I am German. Most of us hate cables that aren't underground (hence the bad internet connectivity, because it's expensive to upgrade the network underground). Based on that I extrapolated. I presumed the same to be the case for these overhead cables, as I don't usually see them where I live. https://www.bahnausbau-nordostbayern.de/files/img/Bahnstrom/Bahnstromnetz_Deutschland.jpg https://www.bahnausbau-nordostbayern.de/files/img/Bahnstrom/... It seems to be a lot more concentrated on the worse side of the rhine river. ;)
    - WHA8m 5y ago
      I'm surprised I must say. I have never ever heard of anyone talking about 'Oberleitungen' being something that we should get rid of. It wouldn't have come to my mind to question them, so that's why I was so baffled (and maybe a bit harsh in my expression).