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It wasn't a rebuttal. It was a question. Why do you think it was short-sighted?

ryanwaggoner 18y ago
You didn't even provide direct links to the "evidence" you were presenting. Links to Google search results pages to back up your statement? Really?
- DabAsteroid 18y ago
  Google results are often more useful and interesting than direct links. Did you have trouble finding these links within the provided googles?: http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/overview.html http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/overview.html http://hubbert.mines.edu/news/Youngquist_98-4.pdf http://hubbert.mines.edu/news/Youngquist_98-4.pdf http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/EXTROPYA.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/EXTROPYA.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/TCHAR11.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/TCHAR1... http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/NATRESOU.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/NATRESOU.txt Links to Google search results pages to back up your statement? Are you meaning to imply that you contest either that the Earth's crust contains ~2.1 quadrillion barrels of oil, or that world society currently consumes ~80 million barrels of oil per day?
  - pxlpshr 18y ago
    I have a problem with your sources, specifically julian simon, as it primarily cites research dating back to the 1980's and does not take into account a lot of factors that are placing significant pressure on the CURRENT supply of oil TODAY. A good analogy is a human and blood. Our bodies naturally regenerate blood... but we can't possibly donate blood on a daily basis and expect to survive. What blows my mind is that you're stubborn about NOT innovating (job creation, less dependence on others -- specifically middle east), while both parties in the presidential race seemingly agree on one thing: we need to curb our dependence on oil.
    - DabAsteroid 18y ago
      a lot of factors ... are placing significant pressure on the CURRENT supply of oil TODAY. You are referring to the surplus supply? How do you figure that surplus supply should push prices up? http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Financial_Tsunami/Oil_Speculation/oil_speculation.HTM http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Financial_Tsunami/Oil_... Compelling evidence also suggests that the oft-cited geopolitical, economic, and natural factors do not explain the recent rise in energy prices can be seen in the actual data on crude oil supply and demand. Although demand has significantly increased over the past few years, so have supplies. Over the past couple of years global crude oil production has increased along with the increases in demand; in fact, during this period global supplies have exceeded demand, according to the US Department of Energy. The US Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration (EIA) recently forecast that in the next few years global surplus production capacity will continue to grow to between 3 and 5 million barrels per day by 2010, thereby “substantially thickening the surplus capacity cushion.” . http://www.google.com/search?q=%22there+is+no+gas+shortage%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22there+is+no+gas+shortage%2... In January of this year, the U.S. used 4% less petroleum than we did a year ago. (Oil demand was down 3.2% in February.) Furthermore, demand has been falling slowly since July of last year. Ronald Bailey of Reason Online has pointed out that worldwide production of oil has risen 2.5% in the first quarter, while worldwide demand has grown by only 2%.
    - DabAsteroid 18y ago
      A good analogy is a human and blood. Our bodies naturally regenerate blood If the earth does not regenerate oil on human timescales, then your example is not a good analogy. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22does+not+regenerate+oil%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22does+not+regenerate+oil%22 As far as we know, the earth does not regenerate oil. The only question is, how much is really left? If, as has been established and has so-far been contested in this thread neither by you nor by anyone else, there remains at least 70,000-years-worth of oil (at today's comsumption rates) in the earth's crust, and if demand is not growing at an appreciable rate, then civilization is not in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash. Do you believe that civilization is in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash?
  - ryanwaggoner 18y ago
    http://www.google.com/search?q=denial http://www.google.com/search?q=denial http://www.google.com/search?q=anti+science http://www.google.com/search?q=anti+science
    - DabAsteroid 18y ago
      Are you meaning to imply that you contest either that the Earth's crust contains ~2.1 quadrillion barrels of oil, or that world society currently consumes ~80 million barrels of oil per day? 2.1 quadrillion bbl / 80 million bbl/day = 71,918 years of oil left. Do you believe that civilization is in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash?

You didn't even provide direct links to the "evidence" you were presenting. Links to Google search results pages to back up your statement? Really?

DabAsteroid 18y ago
Google results are often more useful and interesting than direct links. Did you have trouble finding these links within the provided googles?: http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/overview.html http://www.eia.doe.gov/iea/overview.html http://hubbert.mines.edu/news/Youngquist_98-4.pdf http://hubbert.mines.edu/news/Youngquist_98-4.pdf http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/EXTROPYA.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/EXTROPYA.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/TCHAR11.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/TCHAR1... http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/NATRESOU.txt http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/NATRESOU.txt Links to Google search results pages to back up your statement? Are you meaning to imply that you contest either that the Earth's crust contains ~2.1 quadrillion barrels of oil, or that world society currently consumes ~80 million barrels of oil per day?
- pxlpshr 18y ago
  I have a problem with your sources, specifically julian simon, as it primarily cites research dating back to the 1980's and does not take into account a lot of factors that are placing significant pressure on the CURRENT supply of oil TODAY. A good analogy is a human and blood. Our bodies naturally regenerate blood... but we can't possibly donate blood on a daily basis and expect to survive. What blows my mind is that you're stubborn about NOT innovating (job creation, less dependence on others -- specifically middle east), while both parties in the presidential race seemingly agree on one thing: we need to curb our dependence on oil.
  - DabAsteroid 18y ago
    a lot of factors ... are placing significant pressure on the CURRENT supply of oil TODAY. You are referring to the surplus supply? How do you figure that surplus supply should push prices up? http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Financial_Tsunami/Oil_Speculation/oil_speculation.HTM http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Financial_Tsunami/Oil_... Compelling evidence also suggests that the oft-cited geopolitical, economic, and natural factors do not explain the recent rise in energy prices can be seen in the actual data on crude oil supply and demand. Although demand has significantly increased over the past few years, so have supplies. Over the past couple of years global crude oil production has increased along with the increases in demand; in fact, during this period global supplies have exceeded demand, according to the US Department of Energy. The US Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration (EIA) recently forecast that in the next few years global surplus production capacity will continue to grow to between 3 and 5 million barrels per day by 2010, thereby “substantially thickening the surplus capacity cushion.” . http://www.google.com/search?q=%22there+is+no+gas+shortage%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22there+is+no+gas+shortage%2... In January of this year, the U.S. used 4% less petroleum than we did a year ago. (Oil demand was down 3.2% in February.) Furthermore, demand has been falling slowly since July of last year. Ronald Bailey of Reason Online has pointed out that worldwide production of oil has risen 2.5% in the first quarter, while worldwide demand has grown by only 2%.
  - DabAsteroid 18y ago
    A good analogy is a human and blood. Our bodies naturally regenerate blood If the earth does not regenerate oil on human timescales, then your example is not a good analogy. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22does+not+regenerate+oil%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22does+not+regenerate+oil%22 As far as we know, the earth does not regenerate oil. The only question is, how much is really left? If, as has been established and has so-far been contested in this thread neither by you nor by anyone else, there remains at least 70,000-years-worth of oil (at today's comsumption rates) in the earth's crust, and if demand is not growing at an appreciable rate, then civilization is not in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash. Do you believe that civilization is in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash?
- ryanwaggoner 18y ago
  http://www.google.com/search?q=denial http://www.google.com/search?q=denial http://www.google.com/search?q=anti+science http://www.google.com/search?q=anti+science
  - DabAsteroid 18y ago
    Are you meaning to imply that you contest either that the Earth's crust contains ~2.1 quadrillion barrels of oil, or that world society currently consumes ~80 million barrels of oil per day? 2.1 quadrillion bbl / 80 million bbl/day = 71,918 years of oil left. Do you believe that civilization is in imminent danger of experiencing an oil crash?