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> The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be

> The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be the first erased Ukrainian city, but we see that's not true [1]. Perhaps it's because Azov battalion didn't have a chance to position their artillery on the backyards of civilian flat blocks in that city. > This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. No it's not, there are far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Iraq during active months of 2003 alone [2]. Neither NATO nor UN nor the western world in general identifies civilian casualties in Iraq as victims of a genocide. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...

fsloth 5y ago
UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".

fsloth 5y ago

UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".