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The gap here is that employer paid plans are subsidized by the employer, who uses them as a tax write off, making un-subsidized plans much more expensive in com

The gap here is that employer paid plans are subsidized by the employer, who uses them as a tax write off, making un-subsidized plans much more expensive in comparison

dangrossman 5y ago
True. If you're self-employed, your health insurance premiums are personally tax deductible. If you're not and you make up to 400% of the federal poverty level, the government subsidizes marketplace plans for you similar to an employer. It's not just the self-employed that buy their own insurance, but all the millions of hourly employees that aren't offered healthcare benefits through their employer(s) either.
endisneigh 5y ago
I have no tax knowledge at all, but if you were to create a pass through corporation who purchased the health insurance on the behalf of its members, could you deduct said fees and then pass the savings onto the members the following years? I guess the overhead of setting up such an organization plus the fact that said corporation wouldn't actually have any revenue are big issues.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  You do not have to do all that, simply being self employed is enough. The people getting screwed are those employed by employers that do not offer subsidized health insurance. They simply have to pay for health insurance with post tax dollars.
  - butlerm 5y ago
    The health insurance tax subsidy for self employed individuals is not as extensive as that indirectly provided to conventionally employed persons through their employer because it does not reduce the self employment tax, which is substantial. Whereas with statutory employees anything the employer purchases in that regard is not included in the tax base for the payroll tax or the income tax, i.e. is basically tax free. Self employed folks are treated better than they were a few years ago (no deduction basically), but that is still a big difference.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Thanks for the clarification!
mywittyname 5y ago
Individuals may qualify for a subsidized plan purchased through healthcare.gov.
ejb999 5y ago
>>employer paid plans are subsidized by the employer, who uses them as a tax write off, Calling them a 'tax write-off' makes it sound like something sinister is going on - just about everything a business pays to run their business is deductible, and thus a 'tax write-off'. Do we call buying paper for the xerox machine a 'tax write-off' and thats the only reason business buy paper? Its a cost of doing business - just like rent, payroll, heat, electricity etc - there is no special 'write-off' for providing health insurance for a typical company.
- dangrossman 5y ago
  Mentioning that they're a tax write-off goes towards explaining why employer-subsidized plans can be cheaper than purchasing your own plan: the employer is buying it with pre-tax dollars, where an employee can only buy that plan with post-tax dollars.

The gap here is that employer paid plans are subsidized by the employer, who uses them as a tax write off, making un-subsidized plans much more expensive in comparison

dangrossman 5y ago

True. If you're self-employed, your health insurance premiums are personally tax deductible. If you're not and you make up to 400% of the federal poverty level, the government subsidizes marketplace plans for you similar to an employer. It's not just the self-employed that buy their own insurance, but all the millions of hourly employees that aren't offered healthcare benefits through their employer(s) either.

endisneigh 5y ago

I have no tax knowledge at all, but if you were to create a pass through corporation who purchased the health insurance on the behalf of its members, could you deduct said fees and then pass the savings onto the members the following years? I guess the overhead of setting up such an organization plus the fact that said corporation wouldn't actually have any revenue are big issues.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
You do not have to do all that, simply being self employed is enough. The people getting screwed are those employed by employers that do not offer subsidized health insurance. They simply have to pay for health insurance with post tax dollars.
- butlerm 5y ago
  The health insurance tax subsidy for self employed individuals is not as extensive as that indirectly provided to conventionally employed persons through their employer because it does not reduce the self employment tax, which is substantial. Whereas with statutory employees anything the employer purchases in that regard is not included in the tax base for the payroll tax or the income tax, i.e. is basically tax free. Self employed folks are treated better than they were a few years ago (no deduction basically), but that is still a big difference.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Thanks for the clarification!

mywittyname 5y ago

Individuals may qualify for a subsidized plan purchased through healthcare.gov.

ejb999 5y ago

>>employer paid plans are subsidized by the employer, who uses them as a tax write off, Calling them a 'tax write-off' makes it sound like something sinister is going on - just about everything a business pays to run their business is deductible, and thus a 'tax write-off'. Do we call buying paper for the xerox machine a 'tax write-off' and thats the only reason business buy paper? Its a cost of doing business - just like rent, payroll, heat, electricity etc - there is no special 'write-off' for providing health insurance for a typical company.

dangrossman 5y ago
Mentioning that they're a tax write-off goes towards explaining why employer-subsidized plans can be cheaper than purchasing your own plan: the employer is buying it with pre-tax dollars, where an employee can only buy that plan with post-tax dollars.