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I'd disagree with this lesson. Saying "do not utilize cloud solutions" period is nuts. Google and Microsoft are way better at email hosting and delivery than yo

by nvr219 5y ago

I'd disagree with this lesson. Saying "do not utilize cloud solutions" period is nuts. Google and Microsoft are way better at email hosting and delivery than your on-prem server is unless you spend a ton more money on hardware and engineers to keep it up, which is simply not worth it for many companies. Dropbox is going to have better uptime and lower TCO than your self-hosted owncloud instance. What I will say is it's important for the customer to HAVE THEIR OWN BACKUPS. Don't rely on the vendor - that's the lesson here. If you have all your stuff in AWS back that data up someplace that's not AWS, etc.

josephcsible 5y ago
There's something humorous when better uptime is cited as a reason to use cloud software instead of on-prem in a thread about a major cloud outage.
- nvr219 5y ago
  I mean, yes, your point is well taken, but I stand by my point nonetheless.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  On prem outages and data loss happens constantly. Much more than cloud hosted issues. They just affect a smaller group each time. It's like how people view the countless car crash deaths as non issue but freak out over a rare train crash.
throwaway2048 5y ago
Good luck being able to use, or even make backups of proprietary SaaS offerings.
- nvr219 5y ago
  You can make backups of the data absolutely. There's a whole industry selling cloud-to-cloud backup solutions. Some examples: https://www.ownbackup.com/ https://www.ownbackup.com/ https://www.backupify.com/ https://www.backupify.com/ https://www.cloudally.com/ https://www.cloudally.com/ Edit: to clarify I would say if the data is important to you, then “the ability to back up the data” should be a requirement when selecting saas. See my other comment in this thread on ms planner.
manquer 5y ago
Have your own backup works only if there are common open standards for export/ import. Email or storage may have those, project management tools don't. I can't simply backup from Jira and start using pivotal. Even for Email or storage or any other open system, UX changes and feature differences can take a lot of time to train properly, you don't migrate from one vendor to another vendor just like that.

by nvr219 5y ago

josephcsible 5y ago

There's something humorous when better uptime is cited as a reason to use cloud software instead of on-prem in a thread about a major cloud outage.

nvr219 5y ago
I mean, yes, your point is well taken, but I stand by my point nonetheless.
Gigachad 5y ago
On prem outages and data loss happens constantly. Much more than cloud hosted issues. They just affect a smaller group each time. It's like how people view the countless car crash deaths as non issue but freak out over a rare train crash.

throwaway2048 5y ago

Good luck being able to use, or even make backups of proprietary SaaS offerings.

nvr219 5y ago
You can make backups of the data absolutely. There's a whole industry selling cloud-to-cloud backup solutions. Some examples: https://www.ownbackup.com/ https://www.ownbackup.com/ https://www.backupify.com/ https://www.backupify.com/ https://www.cloudally.com/ https://www.cloudally.com/ Edit: to clarify I would say if the data is important to you, then “the ability to back up the data” should be a requirement when selecting saas. See my other comment in this thread on ms planner.

manquer 5y ago

Have your own backup works only if there are common open standards for export/ import. Email or storage may have those, project management tools don't. I can't simply backup from Jira and start using pivotal. Even for Email or storage or any other open system, UX changes and feature differences can take a lot of time to train properly, you don't migrate from one vendor to another vendor just like that.