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There are two significant dangers: 1) (set) A bad trip can result in a massive setback in terms of one's mental health -- which can take months or even years t

by klyrs 5y ago

There are two significant dangers: 1) (set) A bad trip can result in a massive setback in terms of one's mental health -- which can take months or even years to overcome. This risk is significantly mitigated by the presence of an expert (which may be a therapist, and may be a seasoned psychonaut) who can talk through issues as they arise for the tripper. 2) (setting) People on mushrooms occasionally do really stupid shit. A naive user might not expect the trip to last for hours, realize they're "late" for some real-world engagement, and get into a car to drive there. Early into one of my first trips, I noticed that a 20m cliff appeared to be getting shorter... nearly short enough to jump. This can be mitigated by the presence of an expert (or, honestly, almost any sober adult), who should ensure that the immediate environment is effectively baby-proofed.

0xJRS 5y ago
better off just having a few drinks then since it's safer.
- after_care 5y ago
  Alcohol is not as effective of a treatment for depression as P. Cubensis.
- engineer_22 5y ago
  Alcohol is a depressant. It exacerbates depression.
  - dogleash 5y ago
    Alcohol's classification as a depressant refers to depression of neurotransmission, not the mental affliction known as depression.
    - fsckboy 5y ago
      alcohol has many effects that affect/interact with mood and mood disorders. TL;DR alcohol is not helpful and can be very disruptive for some. it doesn't https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/depression/articles/is-alcohol-a-depressant https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/depressio...
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  - rpmisms 5y ago
    I'm tired of hearing this. Alcohol is a CNS depressant. It slows down your nervous system. It is not a depressant by your definition.
recuter 5y ago
> This risk is significantly mitigated by the presence of an expert (which may be a therapist, and may be a seasoned psychonaut) who can talk through issues as they arise for the tripper. > Shamans, curanderos and experienced users of ayahuasca advise against consuming ayahuasca when not in the presence of one or several well-trained shamans I think a seasoned psychonaut friend who actually cares about you and isn't trying to get paid might be nice. What the hell does a therapist have to do with it? You can just tell this is going to be another bs licensed profession in the future. Welcome to Spores'R-Us may I take your order.
- klyrs 5y ago
  Not everybody can find a seasoned psychonaut, though. The closest they'll have access to is their drug dealer. A therapist with a clean supply and training in trip support is preferable for two reasons: the clean supply, and the legal system. You don't go to the cops if your dealer steals your wallet and car while you're tripping on whatever you bought. If your therapist is a shithead, there's a licensing body you can report that to.
  - recuter 5y ago
    I feel a little bit like I'm tripping right now reading this comment. You... trip.. with your drug dealer? Huh? And if your therapist has a "clean supply" and you buy from them, are they not now your drug dealer? How are these people stealing your car? WHAT.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      Hilarious. No, I don't trip with my dealer. Nor do I recommend it: I suggest that a risk you could incur is your dealer stealing from you while you're blitzed on the floor of your apartment. And should that happen, the police will happily book you for admitting to one crime while reporting another. And, yes, your therapist would technically be your dealer at that point. But, key difference: the strictures of legality are stacked in your favor at that point.
Epiphany21 5y ago
>A bad trip can result in a massive setback in terms of one's mental health -- which can take months or even years to overcome This is extremely rare. For perspective, there are people who drink once and overdo it, and end up dying in accidents or fights. But no one talks about it because it's equally rare and alcohol is socially accepted. >People on mushrooms occasionally do really stupid shit. Sober people do really stupid shit all the time, too. Anecdotally I've taken 6g of dried shrooms (they are decriminalized here, for what that's worth) and was still able to refill my coffee and walk up and down a flight of stairs without spilling it or falling. I still wouldn't drive like that, but liquor impairs my fine motor skills a lot more. Driving myself to the hospital if I had to would've been possible off shrooms, but I can't say the same about half a bottle of whiskey. Every drug is slightly different for every individual and no two highs are identical, sure, but for most nothing bad happens with psychedelics.
- joeberon 5y ago

by klyrs 5y ago

0xJRS 5y ago

better off just having a few drinks then since it's safer.

after_care 5y ago
Alcohol is not as effective of a treatment for depression as P. Cubensis.
engineer_22 5y ago
Alcohol is a depressant. It exacerbates depression.
- dogleash 5y ago
  Alcohol's classification as a depressant refers to depression of neurotransmission, not the mental affliction known as depression.
  - fsckboy 5y ago
    alcohol has many effects that affect/interact with mood and mood disorders. TL;DR alcohol is not helpful and can be very disruptive for some. it doesn't https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/depression/articles/is-alcohol-a-depressant https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/depressio...
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- rpmisms 5y ago
  I'm tired of hearing this. Alcohol is a CNS depressant. It slows down your nervous system. It is not a depressant by your definition.

recuter 5y ago

> This risk is significantly mitigated by the presence of an expert (which may be a therapist, and may be a seasoned psychonaut) who can talk through issues as they arise for the tripper. > Shamans, curanderos and experienced users of ayahuasca advise against consuming ayahuasca when not in the presence of one or several well-trained shamans I think a seasoned psychonaut friend who actually cares about you and isn't trying to get paid might be nice. What the hell does a therapist have to do with it? You can just tell this is going to be another bs licensed profession in the future. Welcome to Spores'R-Us may I take your order.

klyrs 5y ago
Not everybody can find a seasoned psychonaut, though. The closest they'll have access to is their drug dealer. A therapist with a clean supply and training in trip support is preferable for two reasons: the clean supply, and the legal system. You don't go to the cops if your dealer steals your wallet and car while you're tripping on whatever you bought. If your therapist is a shithead, there's a licensing body you can report that to.
- recuter 5y ago
  I feel a little bit like I'm tripping right now reading this comment. You... trip.. with your drug dealer? Huh? And if your therapist has a "clean supply" and you buy from them, are they not now your drug dealer? How are these people stealing your car? WHAT.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    Hilarious. No, I don't trip with my dealer. Nor do I recommend it: I suggest that a risk you could incur is your dealer stealing from you while you're blitzed on the floor of your apartment. And should that happen, the police will happily book you for admitting to one crime while reporting another. And, yes, your therapist would technically be your dealer at that point. But, key difference: the strictures of legality are stacked in your favor at that point.

Epiphany21 5y ago

>A bad trip can result in a massive setback in terms of one's mental health -- which can take months or even years to overcome This is extremely rare. For perspective, there are people who drink once and overdo it, and end up dying in accidents or fights. But no one talks about it because it's equally rare and alcohol is socially accepted. >People on mushrooms occasionally do really stupid shit. Sober people do really stupid shit all the time, too. Anecdotally I've taken 6g of dried shrooms (they are decriminalized here, for what that's worth) and was still able to refill my coffee and walk up and down a flight of stairs without spilling it or falling. I still wouldn't drive like that, but liquor impairs my fine motor skills a lot more. Driving myself to the hospital if I had to would've been possible off shrooms, but I can't say the same about half a bottle of whiskey. Every drug is slightly different for every individual and no two highs are identical, sure, but for most nothing bad happens with psychedelics.

joeberon 5y ago