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I don't even agree with the policy. I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative. No claim about war crimes should pass

I don't even agree with the policy. I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative. No claim about war crimes should pass without further thorough investigation. I don't understand why my previous post had to be flagged. It is a matter of fact that the western media for the most part has lost any interest in investigating and covering the Kramatorsk shelling after the rocket's serial number had been revealed in a footage of an Italian media [1]. One would think that once you have the number it would be relatively easy for NATO to precisely identify and name the perpetrator, but the media is silent on that matter since two days ago. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw

fsloth 5y ago
"I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative." The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people, which utilizes intentional terror on the civilian population. Everything else can be approximated based on that information. This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. The ethics of the situation are exactly as clear cut as a Hollywood movie. Russia is the big bad. The Ukraine are the hero. And they are dying by the thousands.
- ghostwriter 5y ago
  > The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be the first erased Ukrainian city, but we see that's not true [1]. Perhaps it's because Azov battalion didn't have a chance to position their artillery on the backyards of civilian flat blocks in that city. > This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. No it's not, there are far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Iraq during active months of 2003 alone [2]. Neither NATO nor UN nor the western world in general identifies civilian casualties in Iraq as victims of a genocide. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...
  - fsloth 5y ago
    UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".
frankharv 5y ago
The media is silent because it is bullshit. They don't report stupid Soviet lies. I am a machinist. Do you know how easy it is to fake serial number stampings? One guy with a hammer and number set. Are Russians that stupid? They think a serial number is some kind of authenticator? Heck from the pictures I saw it was spray painted on. Please don't insult our intelligence.
- ghostwriter 5y ago
  > I am a machinist. Do you know how easy it is to fake serial number stampings? One guy with a hammer and number set. And you, as a machinist, know it as a matter of fact that this particular serial number on that particular engine block was fabricated? What are your proofs of the claim? Could you name a single media outlet or a single investigative journalist who is collecting evidence of that potential fabrication at the moment?

fsloth 5y ago

"I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative." The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people, which utilizes intentional terror on the civilian population. Everything else can be approximated based on that information. This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. The ethics of the situation are exactly as clear cut as a Hollywood movie. Russia is the big bad. The Ukraine are the hero. And they are dying by the thousands.

ghostwriter 5y ago
> The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be the first erased Ukrainian city, but we see that's not true [1]. Perhaps it's because Azov battalion didn't have a chance to position their artillery on the backyards of civilian flat blocks in that city. > This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. No it's not, there are far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Iraq during active months of 2003 alone [2]. Neither NATO nor UN nor the western world in general identifies civilian casualties in Iraq as victims of a genocide. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...
- fsloth 5y ago
  UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".

frankharv 5y ago

The media is silent because it is bullshit. They don't report stupid Soviet lies. I am a machinist. Do you know how easy it is to fake serial number stampings? One guy with a hammer and number set. Are Russians that stupid? They think a serial number is some kind of authenticator? Heck from the pictures I saw it was spray painted on. Please don't insult our intelligence.

ghostwriter 5y ago
> I am a machinist. Do you know how easy it is to fake serial number stampings? One guy with a hammer and number set. And you, as a machinist, know it as a matter of fact that this particular serial number on that particular engine block was fabricated? What are your proofs of the claim? Could you name a single media outlet or a single investigative journalist who is collecting evidence of that potential fabrication at the moment?