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FYI, this account has many pro-Russian posts in its history, including denial of recent massacres in Bucha.

by glogla 5y ago

ghostwriter 5y ago
- glogla 5y ago
  > FYI you're lying, I never denied massacres in Bucha, I only was asking questions on what side was responsible for it. Oh. My. God. I've had enough HN for today.
  - ghostwriter 5y ago
lnxg33k1 5y ago
I mean why should it be reported? If someone is agreeing with a policy then it would consistently agreeing with such policies? Like it has been 2 months that European leaders have fought for US interests but do you see people saying “ok you can’t trust this politicians anymore cuz they’ve protected us interests for a while already”, I’m Italian without any interest in Russia and still if you check my history I am more against the only country who dropped 2 atomic bombs killing 200k civilians , than Russia, am I not repliable?
- ghostwriter 5y ago
  I don't even agree with the policy. I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative. No claim about war crimes should pass without further thorough investigation. I don't understand why my previous post had to be flagged. It is a matter of fact that the western media for the most part has lost any interest in investigating and covering the Kramatorsk shelling after the rocket's serial number had been revealed in a footage of an Italian media [1]. One would think that once you have the number it would be relatively easy for NATO to precisely identify and name the perpetrator, but the media is silent on that matter since two days ago. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw
  - fsloth 5y ago
    "I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative." The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people, which utilizes intentional terror on the civilian population. Everything else can be approximated based on that information. This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. The ethics of the situation are exactly as clear cut as a Hollywood movie. Russia is the big bad. The Ukraine are the hero. And they are dying by the thousands.
    - ghostwriter 5y ago
      > The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be the first erased Ukrainian city, but we see that's not true [1]. Perhaps it's because Azov battalion didn't have a chance to position their artillery on the backyards of civilian flat blocks in that city. > This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. No it's not, there are far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Iraq during active months of 2003 alone [2]. Neither NATO nor UN nor the western world in general identifies civilian casualties in Iraq as victims of a genocide. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...
      - fsloth 5y ago
        UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".
fsloth 5y ago
ghostwriter does seem to repeat all of the well known Kremlin talk points. If anyone is unsure what Putinist propaganda specifically is like just read through his messages in this discussion, he is iterating on the familiar themes. Whataboutism, denying Ukrainian statehood, etc. Everyone is of course free to express their opinion on this forum and that's why I cherish this site so much.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > does seem to repeat all of the well known Kremlin talk points. Not the only one. Look into the back history of accounts that have been pushing this flimsy "Ukrainian coup" taking point for a long while now, .e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=yucky https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=yucky https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=crateless https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=crateless
  - glogla 5y ago
    My favorite is this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621445 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621445 (might need showdead option)

FYI, this account has many pro-Russian posts in its history, including denial of recent massacres in Bucha.

by glogla 5y ago

FYI, this account has many pro-Russian posts in its history, including denial of recent massacres in Bucha.

ghostwriter 5y ago

glogla 5y ago
> FYI you're lying, I never denied massacres in Bucha, I only was asking questions on what side was responsible for it. Oh. My. God. I've had enough HN for today.
- ghostwriter 5y ago

lnxg33k1 5y ago

I mean why should it be reported? If someone is agreeing with a policy then it would consistently agreeing with such policies? Like it has been 2 months that European leaders have fought for US interests but do you see people saying “ok you can’t trust this politicians anymore cuz they’ve protected us interests for a while already”, I’m Italian without any interest in Russia and still if you check my history I am more against the only country who dropped 2 atomic bombs killing 200k civilians , than Russia, am I not repliable?

ghostwriter 5y ago
I don't even agree with the policy. I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative. No claim about war crimes should pass without further thorough investigation. I don't understand why my previous post had to be flagged. It is a matter of fact that the western media for the most part has lost any interest in investigating and covering the Kramatorsk shelling after the rocket's serial number had been revealed in a footage of an Italian media [1]. One would think that once you have the number it would be relatively easy for NATO to precisely identify and name the perpetrator, but the media is silent on that matter since two days ago. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLl0aGQEPw
- fsloth 5y ago
  "I'm just trying to get to the truth instead of blindly following the media narrative." The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people, which utilizes intentional terror on the civilian population. Everything else can be approximated based on that information. This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. The ethics of the situation are exactly as clear cut as a Hollywood movie. Russia is the big bad. The Ukraine are the hero. And they are dying by the thousands.
  - ghostwriter 5y ago
    > The simple truth is that Russia is currently engaged in a genocidal war with the intent of erasing Ukrainian people If that were true then Melitopol would be the first erased Ukrainian city, but we see that's not true [1]. Perhaps it's because Azov battalion didn't have a chance to position their artillery on the backyards of civilian flat blocks in that city. > This is one of the few clear cut conflicts between unspeakable evil and a distinct people who are being eradicated real time. No it's not, there are far fewer civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Iraq during active months of 2003 alone [2]. Neither NATO nor UN nor the western world in general identifies civilian casualties in Iraq as victims of a genocide. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCqAERksT8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...
    - fsloth 5y ago
      UN has a specific definition of genocide: it's "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reported mass deportations of Ukrainian children are included in this definition. The definition says nothing about Iraq war. Intent? Documented: https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405204214/https://www.washi... But a “substantial part of the populace” is “also guilty” and would require “reeducation” and “ideological repressions” lasting “at least a generation” and would “inevitably mean de-Ukrainization.” The intent to destroy Ukrainian identity, and the actions taken so far, is what makes this look like a genocide. Not the relative number of victims. Of course until "an official body" declares this a genocide - which is not 100% sure - we can always pretend it's just "a normal war".

fsloth 5y ago

ghostwriter does seem to repeat all of the well known Kremlin talk points. If anyone is unsure what Putinist propaganda specifically is like just read through his messages in this discussion, he is iterating on the familiar themes. Whataboutism, denying Ukrainian statehood, etc. Everyone is of course free to express their opinion on this forum and that's why I cherish this site so much.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> does seem to repeat all of the well known Kremlin talk points. Not the only one. Look into the back history of accounts that have been pushing this flimsy "Ukrainian coup" taking point for a long while now, .e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=yucky https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=yucky https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=crateless https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=crateless
- glogla 5y ago
  My favorite is this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621445 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30621445 (might need showdead option)