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>The US needs to push Ukraine to agree to neutrality. Russia's version of "neutrality" is a joke. Russia's demand for "neutrality" means letting Russia decide
by keewee7 5y ago
>The US needs to push Ukraine to agree to neutrality.
Russia's version of "neutrality" is a joke.
Russia's demand for "neutrality" means letting Russia decide Ukraine's foreign and military policies. Russia want to enforce specific limits on the size and capabilities of Ukraine's military. That will never be accepted by Ukraine.
- user3939382 5y agoIt's interesting that we have no popular qualms about the Monroe Doctrine, which we've abused to interfere with and overthrow legitimate governments in South America for decades, but when Russia takes a Monroe-Doctrine-esque position with a country on their border it's out of the question. I see basically 3 possibilities. Ukraine agrees to neutrality, Ukraine resists neutrality and has its country destroyed and is eventually forced to agree to it anyway (what is happening now), or the western powers start a hot war with Russia and risk WW3/nuclear holocaust. Given those options I'd go with the first.
- xdennis 5y agoTypical Russian whataboutism. Who, other than American right-wingers and Russian trolls, are defending the Monroe Doctrine? - 1 is a joke which cannot be accepted. - 3 is a bluff. - 2 is the only option. Ukraine has already beaten you in the north. How long till it defeats you in the east and south? Ukraine will suffer many dead civilians and hundreds of billion in damages, but Russia is losing thousands of soldiers and the economic impact will last for decades while Ukraine will be rebuilt.
- golemotron 5y agoWhataboutism is good. It's not a Russian thing.
- klawcode 5y agoIt takes a special kind of dumb to criticize the mistakes of others ferociously then make the exact same mistakes yourself, with the only difference being even greater incompetence. All of the Russian criticism was plainly self serving anyway. You can clearly tell by this war that they had no qualms with anything the US did in Iraq, excluding maybe their own geopolitical interests in the area.
- fsloth 5y agoIs this a common law thing? Whatever was done in the past, is something you have to allow everyone else to do? Surely you see how that is morally untenable? Errors of the past do not need to be repeated or allowed. (Even though they likely will be as human life is complex and fallible).
- user3939382 5y agoIt’s not even the past. Look at what the US is doing right this moment in Somalia Yemen Palestine. No one here actually believes Joe Biden cares about the Ukrainian people right?
- keewee7 5y ago>Ukraine resists neutrality and has its country destroyed and is eventually forced to agree to it anyway (what is happening now) What is happening now is the Russian economy collapsing and thousands of Russian soldiers returning home in body bags in just the past few weeks. The same things that caused the fall of the Soviet Union.
- user3939382 5y agoThe rubble is back at the level it was before the sanctions. How is their economy collapsing?
- keewee7 5y agoThey are keeping it by burning through their foreign reserves.
- doikor 5y agoIt isn’t really. Even Russia itself does not believe that the current rate is “real”. If it was Russia would have used its rubles to buy euros/dollars to pay its debt instead of defaulting by trying to pay with the rubble. Basically it is currently up artificially due to Russia buying rubbles with dollars/euros/gold/etc (and 20% interest rate) and them themselves pushing it the other way by trying to buy dollars/euros with rubbles would be counterproductive.
- golemotron 5y agoSpheres of influence are a geopolitical reality despite any disbelief people might entertain.