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so this is basically a paid Web Audio API wrapper?

TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
It does say you can make plugins, but the link doesn't work. It would be huge if you could make cross-platform AU/VST*/AAX without the costs of JUCE, but I suspect that isn't on offer here.
- moron4hire 5y ago
  Their intro docs page says Windows and macOS, but actually going to the documentation on plugins says "macOS only" https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer
- ushakov 5y ago
  still not convinced you can make cross-platform plugins without JUCE by using iPlug, Faust or even Rust the selling point of this seems to allow js/web developers to build plugins and we already know what happened when web developers were allowed to build desktop apps (Electron) luckily given real-time and cpu constraints this might never happen to Audio Plug-ins
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    You can make plugins in Faust, but it's not a super smooth process. iPlug is the nicest option. I agree about the js though. Even if it's a reinvention of web audio with a C++ backend, js and DSP just don't feel like a good fit. And I would be surprised if the UI side wasn't limited in the way that full native isn't.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    Also, DPF. And if you're willing to use D, DPlug.
- iainctduncan 5y ago
  I find it hard to imagine people the desktop/commercial audio world wanting to write plugins in JS. At a glance, this seems like an interesting webaudio project that is trying to be too much. Plugins are used in a very different situation where low latency and high performance trump pretty much everything. Reconciling that with web dev priorities seems optimistic.
  - sharklazer 5y ago
    Yeah. I got lost at JS. Buffers and buffer manipulation are everything in audio processing, I don’t see anything stealing C/C++’s thunder here except Rust.
- trypwire 5y ago
  That is indeed on offer :) The new docs structure broke the website links, I'll get that fixed asap. See here in the mean time: https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer Also, as another user here has already pointed out, the "plugin development kit" is still macos only, though I anticipate releasing the windows version within hopefully a week or two.
- jerrysievert 5y ago
  have you looked at iplug2? https://iplug2.github.io https://iplug2.github.io since I was already making my own knobs and panels for vcvrack, it was an easy fit for building out vst3/au plugins.
- fxtentacle 5y ago
  Last time I checked, a perpetual JUCE license was priced similar to 3 days from a C++ freelancer. I've never heard it being called out on price before.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    It's changed since I last looked. J V4 Used to be $999 for solo devs (2016), now J V6 is $800 with up to $500k annual revenue. And there's a free tier that allows up to $50k annual revenue. That is indeed pretty affordable. J V3 used to be more than that. I remember looking at it and writing it off for cost reasons, but that was quite some time ago.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  Slowly getting there with https://github.com/celtera/avendish https://github.com/celtera/avendish :)
- mxmilkiib 5y ago
  Support for LV2 is landing in JUCE 7 apparently.

It does say you can make plugins, but the link doesn't work. It would be huge if you could make cross-platform AU/VST*/AAX without the costs of JUCE, but I suspect that isn't on offer here.

moron4hire 5y ago
Their intro docs page says Windows and macOS, but actually going to the documentation on plugins says "macOS only" https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer
ushakov 5y ago
still not convinced you can make cross-platform plugins without JUCE by using iPlug, Faust or even Rust the selling point of this seems to allow js/web developers to build plugins and we already know what happened when web developers were allowed to build desktop apps (Electron) luckily given real-time and cpu constraints this might never happen to Audio Plug-ins
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  You can make plugins in Faust, but it's not a super smooth process. iPlug is the nicest option. I agree about the js though. Even if it's a reinvention of web audio with a C++ backend, js and DSP just don't feel like a good fit. And I would be surprised if the UI side wasn't limited in the way that full native isn't.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  Also, DPF. And if you're willing to use D, DPlug.
iainctduncan 5y ago
I find it hard to imagine people the desktop/commercial audio world wanting to write plugins in JS. At a glance, this seems like an interesting webaudio project that is trying to be too much. Plugins are used in a very different situation where low latency and high performance trump pretty much everything. Reconciling that with web dev priorities seems optimistic.
- sharklazer 5y ago
  Yeah. I got lost at JS. Buffers and buffer manipulation are everything in audio processing, I don’t see anything stealing C/C++’s thunder here except Rust.
trypwire 5y ago
That is indeed on offer :) The new docs structure broke the website links, I'll get that fixed asap. See here in the mean time: https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer https://www.elementary.audio/docs/packages/plugin-renderer Also, as another user here has already pointed out, the "plugin development kit" is still macos only, though I anticipate releasing the windows version within hopefully a week or two.
jerrysievert 5y ago
have you looked at iplug2? https://iplug2.github.io https://iplug2.github.io since I was already making my own knobs and panels for vcvrack, it was an easy fit for building out vst3/au plugins.
fxtentacle 5y ago
Last time I checked, a perpetual JUCE license was priced similar to 3 days from a C++ freelancer. I've never heard it being called out on price before.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  It's changed since I last looked. J V4 Used to be $999 for solo devs (2016), now J V6 is $800 with up to $500k annual revenue. And there's a free tier that allows up to $50k annual revenue. That is indeed pretty affordable. J V3 used to be more than that. I remember looking at it and writing it off for cost reasons, but that was quite some time ago.
jcelerier 5y ago
Slowly getting there with https://github.com/celtera/avendish https://github.com/celtera/avendish :)
mxmilkiib 5y ago
Support for LV2 is landing in JUCE 7 apparently.