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I believe he’s grouping liberals with a more radical left wing, common by the right wing. What he’s referring to is the BLM website stating “We disrupt the Wes

I believe he’s grouping liberals with a more radical left wing, common by the right wing. What he’s referring to is the BLM website stating “We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement” that it looks like they’ve since removed. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifac...

tptacek 5y ago
Even that statement --- which few liberals are even aware of, let alone agree with --- is wildly misconstrued. It refers to the fact that Black families have historically lived in generational households with children raised by grandparents and aunts as well as parents, a model (1) common to several European ethnicities and (2) actively discriminated against in suburban America (explicitly, by zoning laws). It's not a declaration that fathers are useless.
- rayiner 5y ago
  I think it requires some gymnastics to conclude that the statement doesn’t refer specifically to inter generational families without a married mother and father present: https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wed... I fully believe that these differences in family structure are the product of cultural and economic destruction caused by slavery, Jim Crow, etc. So what’s the solution? For decades it’s been more social liberalism: easier divorce, easier single parenthood, cultural changes to normalize unstable families. At the end of the day the bus that is the Democratic Party is driven by social liberals, and more individual freedom and less collective norm enforcement is the main solution they have in stock.
  - jdkee 5y ago
    The Brooking's article claims "Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites." Why would the racial gains made since the Civil Rights movement lead to fewer stable married households raising children?
- rayiner 5y ago
  I think it requires some gymnastics to conclude that the statement doesn’t refer specifically to inter generational families without a married mother and father present: https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wed... I fully believe that these differences in family structure are the product of cultural and economic destruction caused by slavery, Jim Crow, etc. So what’s the solution? For decades it’s been more social liberalism: easier divorce, easier single parenthood, cultural changes to normalize unstable families. At the end of the day the bus that is the Democratic Party is driven by social liberals, and more individual freedom and less collective norm enforcement is their solution to everything.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    The statement refers to the fact that discrimination against inter-generational families were a proxy for discrimination against Black, Latino, and, before that, Italian households in the American suburbs. Which is a real thing that did --- and still does --- happen. And you've skated right past the more important part of my argument, which is that nobody with a BLM sign on their lawn even knows about this "nuclear family" thing. You'd have to go dig it up for them.

tptacek 5y ago

Even that statement --- which few liberals are even aware of, let alone agree with --- is wildly misconstrued. It refers to the fact that Black families have historically lived in generational households with children raised by grandparents and aunts as well as parents, a model (1) common to several European ethnicities and (2) actively discriminated against in suburban America (explicitly, by zoning laws). It's not a declaration that fathers are useless.

rayiner 5y ago
I think it requires some gymnastics to conclude that the statement doesn’t refer specifically to inter generational families without a married mother and father present: https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wed... I fully believe that these differences in family structure are the product of cultural and economic destruction caused by slavery, Jim Crow, etc. So what’s the solution? For decades it’s been more social liberalism: easier divorce, easier single parenthood, cultural changes to normalize unstable families. At the end of the day the bus that is the Democratic Party is driven by social liberals, and more individual freedom and less collective norm enforcement is the main solution they have in stock.
- jdkee 5y ago
  The Brooking's article claims "Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites." Why would the racial gains made since the Civil Rights movement lead to fewer stable married households raising children?
rayiner 5y ago
I think it requires some gymnastics to conclude that the statement doesn’t refer specifically to inter generational families without a married mother and father present: https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wed... I fully believe that these differences in family structure are the product of cultural and economic destruction caused by slavery, Jim Crow, etc. So what’s the solution? For decades it’s been more social liberalism: easier divorce, easier single parenthood, cultural changes to normalize unstable families. At the end of the day the bus that is the Democratic Party is driven by social liberals, and more individual freedom and less collective norm enforcement is their solution to everything.
- tptacek 5y ago
  The statement refers to the fact that discrimination against inter-generational families were a proxy for discrimination against Black, Latino, and, before that, Italian households in the American suburbs. Which is a real thing that did --- and still does --- happen. And you've skated right past the more important part of my argument, which is that nobody with a BLM sign on their lawn even knows about this "nuclear family" thing. You'd have to go dig it up for them.