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"Do the entire thing yourself" is what you suggested in the GP. Now you're suggesting a site that "does everything except marketing for you." Those are very d

"Do the entire thing yourself" is what you suggested in the GP. Now you're suggesting a site that "does everything except marketing for you." Those are very different suggestions.

endisneigh 5y ago
No, what I'm saying is that you can purchase everything except marketing, and presumably the folks striking would handle the rest, so in sum, yes they could "do the entire thing yourself." You should look up the history of etsy, it literally began by a mass exodus away from eBay. I'll never understand why people handcuff themselves and then complain about it. The question in the end if whether etsy is worth it to them after all of the fees, restrictions, etc. If so, continue, if not, move. Both the etsy sellers and etsy itself aim to maximize profit.
- heleninboodler 5y ago
  > I'll never understand > The question in the end if whether etsy is worth it to them after all of the fees, restrictions, etc. If so, continue, if not, move It seems you do understand after all, unless you are making the questionable claim that Etsy provides literally no value. I think the crux of the matter here is that these sellers were previously happy with the tradeoff, and then Etsy changed the terms and they don't think it's worth it anymore. Getting angry and yelling about it in hopes of changing it rather than just shrugging and moving their whole business to another platform seems perfectly logical to me. The stuff with garbage resellers does seem like a really good point: Etsy is going to devalue themselves into the toilet if they don't do something about it and there is a mass exodus.
  - JAlexoid 5y ago
    Complaining is worthless, if you're staying. Businesses understand a hit to the bottom line, not some abstract strike manifest. So exodus is exactly the most efficient way of voicing your opinion to a profit seeking operation
    - heleninboodler 5y ago
      Except there's a real cost to exodus, and complaining (along with a measurable-yet-easily-reversible impact like turning off sales) is an easy first step that only costs the temporary sales loss. So on the off chance enough people complaining and pausing sales causes the company to change their mind, an exodus that forces the sellers to do a bunch of store-rebuilding would have turned out to be a very inefficient method. It's a statement trying to get the attention of the company. Nobody is claiming it's guaranteed to work. It's a desperate act for before you bail entirely.

"Do the entire thing yourself" is what you suggested in the GP. Now you're suggesting a site that "does everything except marketing for you." Those are very different suggestions.

endisneigh 5y ago

No, what I'm saying is that you can purchase everything except marketing, and presumably the folks striking would handle the rest, so in sum, yes they could "do the entire thing yourself." You should look up the history of etsy, it literally began by a mass exodus away from eBay. I'll never understand why people handcuff themselves and then complain about it. The question in the end if whether etsy is worth it to them after all of the fees, restrictions, etc. If so, continue, if not, move. Both the etsy sellers and etsy itself aim to maximize profit.

heleninboodler 5y ago
> I'll never understand > The question in the end if whether etsy is worth it to them after all of the fees, restrictions, etc. If so, continue, if not, move It seems you do understand after all, unless you are making the questionable claim that Etsy provides literally no value. I think the crux of the matter here is that these sellers were previously happy with the tradeoff, and then Etsy changed the terms and they don't think it's worth it anymore. Getting angry and yelling about it in hopes of changing it rather than just shrugging and moving their whole business to another platform seems perfectly logical to me. The stuff with garbage resellers does seem like a really good point: Etsy is going to devalue themselves into the toilet if they don't do something about it and there is a mass exodus.
- JAlexoid 5y ago
  Complaining is worthless, if you're staying. Businesses understand a hit to the bottom line, not some abstract strike manifest. So exodus is exactly the most efficient way of voicing your opinion to a profit seeking operation
  - heleninboodler 5y ago
    Except there's a real cost to exodus, and complaining (along with a measurable-yet-easily-reversible impact like turning off sales) is an easy first step that only costs the temporary sales loss. So on the off chance enough people complaining and pausing sales causes the company to change their mind, an exodus that forces the sellers to do a bunch of store-rebuilding would have turned out to be a very inefficient method. It's a statement trying to get the attention of the company. Nobody is claiming it's guaranteed to work. It's a desperate act for before you bail entirely.