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There's a press release, if you prefer it. https://www.socialdemokraterna.se/nyheter/nyheter/2022-04-11-socialdemokraterna-genomfor-en-sakerhetspolitisk-dialog

There's a press release, if you prefer it. https://www.socialdemokraterna.se/nyheter/nyheter/2022-04-11-socialdemokraterna-genomfor-en-sakerhetspolitisk-dialog-mot-bakgrund-av-rysslands-invasion-av-ukraina https://www.socialdemokraterna.se/nyheter/nyheter/2022-04-11...

yxhuvud 5y ago
Let me summarize the press release for you: "We will talk about it internally in the political party". In other words, the submitted article is just bullshit.
- Symbiote 5y ago
  I'm not Swedish and can't easily read Swedish. There's an article in the most-respected British newspaper, articles in English-language Swedish newspapers and an original press release providing a primary source for part of the news (I assume there were interviews or similar as it was announced). > The Social Democrat general secretary, Tobias Baudin, said the security review would be complete “before the summer”. (From another article as I'm not a Times subscriber.) If you won't believe quotes from senior politicians in major newspapers I can't help you.
  - klibertp 5y ago
    And the "security review" that will be completed "before summer" has already yielded results, and the results are 100% in favor of one possible outcome? I read an article a few months back about a Swedish town that prepares itself as a place for storing nuclear waste for the next 10000 years. The one thing I remember from that article is that it took 18 years to start building the facility. I get that desperate times and so on, but I think deciding something huge on a timeline this tight is not very probable. EDIT: actually, storage meant for 100_000 years! Here: https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-approves-plans-for-forsmark-nuclear-waste-storage-site/a-60584787 https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-approves-plans-for-forsmark-nuc...
  - hajhatten 5y ago
    Without context, that quote means nothing. I would be very careful making statements like this as if you knew how to interpret that quote from that exact person and party he represents.
  - SahAssar 5y ago
    The security review you mentioned is actually called a ”säkerhetspolitisk dialog” by Tobias himself. Directly translated ”säkerhetspolitisk dialog” means "security-political dialogue", and the dialogue it refers to is an internal dialogue within the social democratic party. Nothing is decided yet, and although it is a lot more likely to happen now than a week ago the foreign sources make it sound like a decision has been made. If that was the case it would be headline news in all the swedish newspapers.
  - rockbruno 5y ago
    I live in Sweden. He said that the chats will be done in summer [1], not that Sweden will _join_ NATO in summer. I can't see what being a major British newspaper has anything to do with the veracity of Swedish news, and besides, when has journalists not blown crap out of proportion for clicks? What a weird hill to die on... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/s-drar-i-gang-natodebatt-i-partiet https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/s-drar-i-gang-natodebatt-...
jeltz 5y ago
Yes, and I can read Swedish and understand enough of our politics to say that the press release for the most part contradicts the linked article. Will we join NATO? Still not decided but moves from S and SD has made it seem quite likely. Before summer? Very unlikely, discussions in Sweden have just started.

yxhuvud 5y ago

Let me summarize the press release for you: "We will talk about it internally in the political party". In other words, the submitted article is just bullshit.

Symbiote 5y ago
I'm not Swedish and can't easily read Swedish. There's an article in the most-respected British newspaper, articles in English-language Swedish newspapers and an original press release providing a primary source for part of the news (I assume there were interviews or similar as it was announced). > The Social Democrat general secretary, Tobias Baudin, said the security review would be complete “before the summer”. (From another article as I'm not a Times subscriber.) If you won't believe quotes from senior politicians in major newspapers I can't help you.
- klibertp 5y ago
  And the "security review" that will be completed "before summer" has already yielded results, and the results are 100% in favor of one possible outcome? I read an article a few months back about a Swedish town that prepares itself as a place for storing nuclear waste for the next 10000 years. The one thing I remember from that article is that it took 18 years to start building the facility. I get that desperate times and so on, but I think deciding something huge on a timeline this tight is not very probable. EDIT: actually, storage meant for 100_000 years! Here: https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-approves-plans-for-forsmark-nuclear-waste-storage-site/a-60584787 https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-approves-plans-for-forsmark-nuc...
- hajhatten 5y ago
  Without context, that quote means nothing. I would be very careful making statements like this as if you knew how to interpret that quote from that exact person and party he represents.
- SahAssar 5y ago
  The security review you mentioned is actually called a ”säkerhetspolitisk dialog” by Tobias himself. Directly translated ”säkerhetspolitisk dialog” means "security-political dialogue", and the dialogue it refers to is an internal dialogue within the social democratic party. Nothing is decided yet, and although it is a lot more likely to happen now than a week ago the foreign sources make it sound like a decision has been made. If that was the case it would be headline news in all the swedish newspapers.
- rockbruno 5y ago
  I live in Sweden. He said that the chats will be done in summer [1], not that Sweden will _join_ NATO in summer. I can't see what being a major British newspaper has anything to do with the veracity of Swedish news, and besides, when has journalists not blown crap out of proportion for clicks? What a weird hill to die on... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/s-drar-i-gang-natodebatt-i-partiet https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/s-drar-i-gang-natodebatt-...

jeltz 5y ago

Yes, and I can read Swedish and understand enough of our politics to say that the press release for the most part contradicts the linked article. Will we join NATO? Still not decided but moves from S and SD has made it seem quite likely. Before summer? Very unlikely, discussions in Sweden have just started.