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>John Mearsheimer made the analogy "What if China became close allies with Canada and stationed troops and missiles north of the border, how would the USA react

>John Mearsheimer made the analogy "What if China became close allies with Canada and stationed troops and missiles north of the border, how would the USA react?" Most likely by reflecting on what went so horribly wrong in the relationship with Canada that a formerly closest ally of them all has decided to turn to a different power from across the ocean for help. Then, by attempting to fix said relationship without starting a futile and criminal war of aggression that will cement multi-generational hatred of all things American north of the border.

ramesh31 5y ago
>Then, by attempting to fix said relationship without starting a futile and criminal war of aggression that will cement multi-generational hatred of all things American north of the border. He has no interest in fixing any relationships. This is a war of genocide. Things are only getting started, and the sooner the world realizes we are already at war, the better.
- kspacewalk2 5y ago
  Yes, I'm aware. Here we are discussing the absurd parallels that some people are attempting to draw with North America, and a hypothetical Canada that has turned to China. As a Ukrainian Canadian, I am fully aware of the absurdity of this scenario and of the fact that Ukrainians are being denied their right to exist.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    >"...and of the fact that Ukrainians are being denied their right to exist." This is what is actually happening. It is a crime and I wish Putin, his close circle and other directly responsible would end their days rotting in jail. As for Canada turning into China and hosting their nukes. Of course this will never happen and is absurd. But in pure hypothetical world I am pretty sure the situation like this will turn into invasion if all negotiations fail. As a mini example see what happened when Noriega had started switching his allegiances from the US to a Soviet block.
    - kspacewalk2 5y ago
      >As a mini example see what happened when Noriega had started switching his allegiances from the US to a Soviet block. Hm... Not quite. Noriega began switching allegiances to the Soviets well after the relationship with the US became hostile, and well after the US made it clear they want him gone, due to Iran-Contra and other reasons. He was also a dictator who lost an election by a factor of 3 to 1 a few months before the invasion. Bush was still hesitant to invade until a group of unarmed off-duty US soldiers was attacked, one of them killed and others abused in custody. Not defending the idea of propping up dictators or invading countries to remove them, just that this is not a good example of the point you're trying to make.
dreen 5y ago
Wasnt Canada viewed as potential enemy for a long time after Independence War? Both Canada and US had plans for invading each other IIRC, with the Canadian forces hoping they would hold on long enough for UK to arrive and help. Though at that time UK was already seeing US more as a partner.
- mywittyname 5y ago
  That was long ago in a different world. Other than the San Juan islands, there are no territorial disputes between the countries. The Canadian military is utterly dwarfed by the USA's, so any aggression on their part will likely result in a total loss. And if the USA really wanted Canadian territory, they could probably ask for it and be granted some in a popular vote (at least in the south western provinces). Even if China and Canada become besties, China still can't do anything militarily. Canada is still gigantic; protecting the east of the country is impossible. And it would be straight forward for the USA to deny access to the Atlantic. Yeah, the US government would not at all like the idea of China stationing troops or missiles in Canada, but Canada would see the stupidity of allowing such a move long before it came to pass. And if they didn't, the USA has diplomatic options (mainly, "hey, BC/Alberta/Sas, u wanna b american? :cowboy:"). Getting one to come to the red white and blue side effectively divides the country in half.
- pythonaut_16 5y ago
  If you're going that far back you might as well bring up the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812 and ask why the US isn't still at odds with the UK.

ramesh31 5y ago

>Then, by attempting to fix said relationship without starting a futile and criminal war of aggression that will cement multi-generational hatred of all things American north of the border. He has no interest in fixing any relationships. This is a war of genocide. Things are only getting started, and the sooner the world realizes we are already at war, the better.

kspacewalk2 5y ago
Yes, I'm aware. Here we are discussing the absurd parallels that some people are attempting to draw with North America, and a hypothetical Canada that has turned to China. As a Ukrainian Canadian, I am fully aware of the absurdity of this scenario and of the fact that Ukrainians are being denied their right to exist.
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"...and of the fact that Ukrainians are being denied their right to exist." This is what is actually happening. It is a crime and I wish Putin, his close circle and other directly responsible would end their days rotting in jail. As for Canada turning into China and hosting their nukes. Of course this will never happen and is absurd. But in pure hypothetical world I am pretty sure the situation like this will turn into invasion if all negotiations fail. As a mini example see what happened when Noriega had started switching his allegiances from the US to a Soviet block.
  - kspacewalk2 5y ago
    >As a mini example see what happened when Noriega had started switching his allegiances from the US to a Soviet block. Hm... Not quite. Noriega began switching allegiances to the Soviets well after the relationship with the US became hostile, and well after the US made it clear they want him gone, due to Iran-Contra and other reasons. He was also a dictator who lost an election by a factor of 3 to 1 a few months before the invasion. Bush was still hesitant to invade until a group of unarmed off-duty US soldiers was attacked, one of them killed and others abused in custody. Not defending the idea of propping up dictators or invading countries to remove them, just that this is not a good example of the point you're trying to make.

dreen 5y ago

Wasnt Canada viewed as potential enemy for a long time after Independence War? Both Canada and US had plans for invading each other IIRC, with the Canadian forces hoping they would hold on long enough for UK to arrive and help. Though at that time UK was already seeing US more as a partner.

mywittyname 5y ago
That was long ago in a different world. Other than the San Juan islands, there are no territorial disputes between the countries. The Canadian military is utterly dwarfed by the USA's, so any aggression on their part will likely result in a total loss. And if the USA really wanted Canadian territory, they could probably ask for it and be granted some in a popular vote (at least in the south western provinces). Even if China and Canada become besties, China still can't do anything militarily. Canada is still gigantic; protecting the east of the country is impossible. And it would be straight forward for the USA to deny access to the Atlantic. Yeah, the US government would not at all like the idea of China stationing troops or missiles in Canada, but Canada would see the stupidity of allowing such a move long before it came to pass. And if they didn't, the USA has diplomatic options (mainly, "hey, BC/Alberta/Sas, u wanna b american? :cowboy:"). Getting one to come to the red white and blue side effectively divides the country in half.
pythonaut_16 5y ago
If you're going that far back you might as well bring up the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812 and ask why the US isn't still at odds with the UK.